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Quote Reply #101 Posted: 14-Oct-2013 at 09:03 | |
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Quote Reply #102 Posted: 14-Oct-2013 at 09:35 | |
her voice is matrixcatcher and u can use it in any situation, she is true interpreter of the universal macedonian echoes that are bouncing even in our time! coz profane sound, i have put those geomorphological links as attribute in the last post, altho her voice is out of this world and have deep symbiotic connection with the heavenly realms, as docu-title says two voices from one throat! to be real you need to ask your self - who am i, do i know where am i, how can i be what my ancestors were... song,song,song... Edited by +Protagorist - 14-Oct-2013 at 12:33 |
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Quote Reply #103 Posted: 14-Oct-2013 at 13:30 | |
with torment i was born, with torment i will die, write my torment on my grave! |
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Quote Reply #104 Posted: 14-Oct-2013 at 18:19 | |
for me is cynism to call myself macedonian if i dont know to play and dance at least three ora, and sing at least three songs, something that today is reality with our kids if not elders, coz they know mainly turbofolk songs, let'em be global enjoying own forgetfulness while there are others that want to become at least naturalized macedonians [1][2][3][4][5] if many dont have real idea about omni-popular balkan bands like Leb i Sol [1][2][3] - [1][2][3] then why expecting that they will have any about traditional words of our unknown genius and our traditional music... this sounds ambiguous but the reality is that here traditional ideology (eg.japanese way of life) is disappearing as ideal and surviving only as reminiscence backed by actors or merchants!
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Quote Reply #105 Posted: 15-Oct-2013 at 04:55 | |
another macedonian crossover band that had made our national rebirth through our ethno scene is Mizar [1][2][3] they shifted the scene to more deeper prisms of sounds than LS, mingling own ideas among orthodox and ethno music through its heavy guitars in such a way that they became one of the best ex-yu avantgard bands, even more than popular coz they've publicly passed artistically nationalist songs, which back then were heresy in the last yu-federation eg. our traditional song about the abolition of the Ohrid Archiepiscopy coz greek slander in thee song Summer of 1762 [1][2][3] their latest hit after their reunion was about the macedonian refugees from the greek civil war
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Quote Reply #106 Posted: 15-Oct-2013 at 09:10 | |
if our Balkan is something like small sleeping China [1][2][3] then Macedonia is musical pearl on that balcony sharing its mediterran flexibility with words,voices and melodies throughout the centuries... as one of our brightest ideologist said "I understand the world solely as a field for cultural competition among the nations" [1] altho his predecessors from this land pointed that not every competition free our souls "Music directly imitates the passions or states of the soul...when one listens to music that imitates a certain passion, he becomes imbued withthe same passion; and if over a long time he habitually listens to music that rouses ignoble passions, his whole character will be shaped to an ignoble form" [1] yet today any music could be easily forwarded to other emotional pitch just by its video or one that is added to it, in a way storing its essence in a momentum bubble of creativity Edited by +Protagorist - 15-Oct-2013 at 09:20 |
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Quote Reply #107 Posted: 16-Oct-2013 at 07:58 | |
in this century best macedonian represent was our national warbler late Todor Proeski which album Bozilak added new classical note to the local ethno sound [1][2][3] Bozilak is vernacular name for Vinozito both words expression for Rainbow, first one with etymology as GodsBow and the second one as Wine+Wheat (blood and bread) in both cases as album name symbolically showing us that our traditional music is blessing a Gift from God or if u like Gods Arrow which if is shared with love from pure heart could blossom all the buds around Toshe was macedonian aroman who as such united all the balkans for a moment, intentionally dismantling balkan borders through his music [1][2][3] beside his bright voice he had also bright habits as were his: sincere faith, pure love, strong will, great charity, superstar modesty and endurable healthy spirit, thus educate and remind all balkan people on the righteous path of unity... Todor was and stil is rare cultural revolutionary who through his gifts has united different and pacify furious on this peninsula! today is his remembrance day when many balkan fans are paying respect in his native town Krusevo where he had procession as national hero [1] sadly but if his being didnt stumble upon balkan highway trap (ironically this highway early was called brotherhood & unity), he would spread even further his rainbows like silk shawl of happiness in balkans and beyond - he simply fulfiled many hearts with empathy after latest balkanism [1] which in the end trapped his melodic flavors - My opinion is that we lost him in balkan contrived accident which here is most common tactic for message delivery to someone or something [1] nevertheless its tragedy that couldnt be avoided because it was his choice to go that morning on car-trip altho on tight skedule, it was opposite combination but same consequence with our late president Boris who went to plane instead of car despite he was urge not to use it etc. i can say with confidence that if Nikola Karev was president of the famous Krusevo Republic in the beginning of the last century, at the end of that same century Todor Proeski became king of this famous city, from there he conquered all balkan hearts, normally Krusevo is balkans highest altitude town so it was fast enough that through period of few year he became singer with status as balkan tzar, his empire lasted 10 years from his appearance on the scene in 1997 til his passover in 2007 let him Rest in Peace as great macedonian Christian he deserves it! btw if he knew that people will raise him statues around, he would probably stop singing coz his goal was equality not idolatry! definitely its enough respect on postmark, marathon or charity, but kitsch statues, at least its disgrace [1][2][3]
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Quote Reply #108 Posted: 16-Oct-2013 at 22:53 | |
one band that has bright future, if continues with its contemporarlly minimal etno sound, is the sweetest Baklava from Skopje which members were teached by our most precious names of our traditional sound, Elena was polished by Vanya and Sibo em Stamche by Petse... [1] and if every Baklava as dessert has nuts, probably as band their calmness is their walnut, and their relation between the present and the past is their sherbet! Try listen them in nature, upon the peaks or down at the streams, maybe inbetween near the caves, then take some actual baklava softened by boza or borovnitsa and reach for the stars, then if u want more e.g. to jump even beyond the stars, then try learn some macedonian song and make ur own baklava [1][2][3] my moment of clarity about them is that they bring fresh air in our yard and community, which from time to time could burst in colorful fireworks! their latest turko-latin excursion for example, known as ME MANKAS MUCHO i.e. I miss you very much ... along the beautiful countries, on the Sephardic track... [1][2][3] actually it could be argued that this fresh air in fact is fresh smell from the Sibo's pan, where if now is mostly baked baklava in the begging publicly was stirred only ayvar [1][2][3]
every version is nice, normally for us our is best, stil Baklava officially with video has supported the multilingual version [1] although they have been interpreting the traditional one also, but rather as national duty than post-convicted-obligation, maybe tomorrow in some local arrangement they will perform the european hymn too as their compatriot mr.Gish have already done [1] Edited by +Protagorist - 06-Nov-2014 at 18:58 |
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Quote Reply #109 Posted: 17-Oct-2013 at 22:43 | |
for sure best ethno band that we had was Anastasia worldwide famous by their OST for the MM's first movie BTR actually they were ex-mizar members even sound as mizar but now more purified with dominant traditional instruments [1][2] tho after while they hooked up on '90 eccentricity euphoria probably so it could easily bring our tradition to more souls as posible, even they've been captured on some dance flor in some basement like mnt,metropol or menada - our best three skopye sanctuaries for electronic performances back in the '90, so they released their Nocturnal [1][2] as evolved creature which lacked movie support not that there werent candidates [1] which actualy ended also with extra st's
i am not sure which etiquette suits them more - ethno, neofolk or ritualfolk, but they vanished quietly as they arrived smoothly officially without any! from this group only one that survived on the scene is Zlatko who managed few good projects from which most popular were two, first one collaboration on Deteto i Beloto More and the second one whole music for Karolinas album Makedonsko Devoyce [1], pretty different than his early works which were more contemporary [1] Edited by +Protagorist - 06-Nov-2014 at 19:16 |
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Quote Reply #110 Posted: 18-Oct-2013 at 07:08 | |
all of these above spread macedonian sound loud, but usually within our cities and across our mountains, then there are few that promote our heritage mostly outside, who else if not jazzers like Zoran Madzirov, Toni Kitanovski, Petar Rendzov und Mitan Project all mentioned are names with history who are storming loud and proud in the jazz world, yet among the common people more emotions evoke light-jazz etno pieces, like next three which are epic, mainly released as odd personal owe to the country... 1. transcedental Oktoechoes or orthodox voyage upon the sounds of Kokan 2. peacefull Krushevo an accoustic jam from Vlatko & Miro which ill say even wildfire can extinguish 3. energetic Macedonian Heart beats in 7/8 released by Tavitian Trio who invited best balkan voices to perform traditional macedonian songs on that crossover praise to our culture Edited by +Protagorist - 06-Nov-2014 at 19:21 |
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Quote Reply #111 Posted: 18-Oct-2013 at 19:20 | |
normally we have interpreters who are weaving classical moods over our traditional music, pouring exotic streams among our waterfalls giving more glittering rainbows as misty result... usually around the world similar projects ends up rather like music for film & theater than mass-public ethno-delivery service, but here all of them are becoming exactly that pushing people to extended happiness...
among them most notable are Sythesis recently followed by the most promising Monistra, then maybe from the same pot could be puled Mitan but coz their subtle electricity i've put them among ethno-jazzers, where probably could be placed also another runover project from this category called Love is the way from DukeB, also our piano maestro Simon for now have few crossovers on his repertoar [1] altho all of our famous classical pieces are deepen in folk music [1][2][3][4] so it could become some kind of exotic break for aristocracy, which as audience actually is not aware that all classic composers have used tradion as base eg. counterpoint is derived from the early german musical language etc. if i see better from our recent folklore rearrangement (from the end of the last and the beginning of this new century0 we have ethnorock, ritualethno, ethnopop, ethnominimal, ethnoelectro, ethnojazz and ethnoclassic, so as music scene i think we have only ethno as best of Macedonia, everything else is just coffee brake or backdoor escape, even those escapes like Foltin like it or not sounds ethno dispite their bitola-forro what to say, when our president must stand stil til his ethno musical escort dont finish, when as first among the equals he stood in such way then we the equals have even bigger obligation to such behavior, yes musical code of honer but who is aware of that [1] actually our traditional sound is our best ambassador and our first and last line of defense, plus inbetween he is one that gives welcomes,connections,blossoms and passover acceptance, thats why i observed that everybody need to learn some traditional vibes if they want to be real macedonians, coz Macedonia mainly is cultural vibe not some ego story bordered with this or that, and thats why we dont mind and give chance to others to call or be them self macedonians too! altho coz they cant, dont want or dont care, probably from envy, they are denying us that born-right... (sorry for my subconscious reflections) strange but this crossovers are only possible way so one can be tuned correctly to the raw traditional sound, but one should be careful not to stick to those compromises as final and best echoes from this area, they are just buffers for the modern times in which we are truly disconnected from our local cultural genes, constantly drowning in mediocre globalism of folk,rock and electro shunt! maybe we are not last local ethno umbrella, but for sure we are largest one, standing against the globalized acidic rain as universal alkaline shield... Edited by +Protagorist - 19-Oct-2013 at 02:10 |
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Quote Reply #112 Posted: 19-Oct-2013 at 02:10 | |
all our traditional melodies are as we say "melem na rana" (as ointment on wound) and when someone has found the right way for sharing that cure then its irrelevant what kind of additives he added to smooth it out, tho as much pure as better then again not everyone have will for raw diet coz with one cup of tea one canot cure and purify all his being... one of most pure and in same time heavy spiced ethno sound that we have was steered by Dragan Dautovski [1][2][3] who even reach deep til the neolith in his pocket of surprises, eh maybe his alkaline Limonka was guilty for that, coz except inspiration ur muse is also ur echo-rampart that should and will admit such melodies to be shared with all i must admit that early i was attacking him indirectly altho publicly for exotifying our true and raw sound, but from this perspective i can only say that he was maybe onlyone that was aware of that, altho eventually fell as all raw but commercial artists on some kind of electricity [1] at least he do best he can to stay on the sunny line, which was not case example with our 90's frontmen of our etho sound Sasho Gigov Gish who went deeper with his cocktails of happiness, shaking all kind of herbs and roots with his La colonie Volvox shakers [1][2][3] in a way DD and SG are like the comparison of LS and Mizar above, but in their case on the abstract-ethno line, tho every ethno band of ours is quite abstract coz they are telling our universal story that was filtered through so much epochs that now became something like sharp thunder rainbow if it is shined upon the world through sunny souls... Edited by +Protagorist - 07-Oct-2018 at 03:08 |
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Quote Reply #113 Posted: 19-Oct-2013 at 12:10 | |
if u travel here to find the Cheapest, Safest and Friendliest Country as is mentioned in post #91 or as yomad underline [1] for sure u'l be mesmerized coz it will outreach your expectations! we are not cheapest but richest country coz there are no money thath can buy u such a feelings, we are not safest but without doubt most secure country on this peninsula and this is coz people are friendly enough that even in oddest situation they will help you eg many times people are getting in middle of argue just to stop it, especially when stranger got in trouble, altho we live in selfish times, maybe 20 years ago we were safest when we were part of ex-yu federation when police was extra fine to those that didnt have respect for law and order, even we had anecdote that u can sleep on bench with pocket full of money without any worries, tho thats why many flee from the country while others disappear in the woods... maybe the've found sanctuary in the old churches and monasteries! in this new age only thing that bother me is that from year to year we are going further and further from the organic food and music, adding to it all kind of fertilizers and glitters, and really worth to pay little more so u can enjoy the true taste of macedonian harmony whether she entered through the mouth, through the ears or through the eyes! it same with faith if want enlightenment search for the love higher in the mountain where is less electric or chemical pollution, or run across the globe coz u are stronger when u walk without worries of today possessively materialized world, which fall can postpone only people like u or Kiro [1][2][3] never mind forget all these thoughts and just enjoy the show, as u've stumble upon some big mountain rock from which healing sounds springs eternity sometimes its enough melodies sometime just echoes [1][2] sometimes both [3]...
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Quote Reply #114 Posted: 19-Oct-2013 at 17:10 | |
i was raised with this song til the '90s, there was no week or place where it wasnt played, even on weeding, also i cant remember a wedding i've gone to where wasn't played, altho its motif is adultery which is very strange for cradle of the european Christianity [1] maybe it was case just in ex-yu coz before and after its popularity was unrelevant, except in Bitola were it came from, probably if Parketi didnt made remake, most of nowadays kids will never hear about! advise for the toughest half of the ring, keep in mind if u listen to this song for a while, it could become real, tho u cant go far enough if u dont understand macedonian!
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Quote Reply #115 Posted: 19-Oct-2013 at 18:11 | |
they should remake some chalgi sound
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Quote Reply #116 Posted: 19-Oct-2013 at 19:10 | |
next time u drop in this thread take ur time [1] http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi1370005785 [1] Edited by +Protagorist - 02-Oct-2014 at 08:46 |
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Quote Reply #117 Posted: 20-Oct-2013 at 11:10 | |
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Quote Reply #118 Posted: 20-Oct-2013 at 19:10 | |
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Quote Reply #119 Posted: 21-Oct-2013 at 11:31 | |
balkan was and stil is the european Powder Keg coz one reason, unrealized and unreleased extra exceptional art, as oldskool so as newskool, wrapped in high and low production, tho Exit started to manage some, tho localy we dont have large festivals like those, not coz we are small but simply we dont care too much about our potential, yet we have plenty local ones that are getting larger and larger, beginning in 90's with T-fest (predecessor of later Taksirat, and ending today as largest with P-fest, normally we have the balkans most unique traditional fest in Dolneni near Prilep which is unbelievably small tho, but also we have few ethno fests, one balkan-etno the BMS as part of Ohrid Summer Days, and one world-etno the OFF as part of our famous SJF despite festivals there are all year round gigs and concerts, and til now there were nonesuch like the one of Moby in sileks [1] when he kick off the floor with punk, and the Manu's bombing on lizgalishte [1][2] where with radio bemba brought the system down while masses up... in a way we got what we were waiting 10 years for as best post-conflict relaxant! our bedroom again start to shine... on other hand we have prestigious film festivals like the Bitola's unique film gathering known as Festival Brothers Manaki [1][2] where usually are ending world art pieces and cameramans than local blockbusters tho this year we had exception on both ends [1], then we have SFF and recently we got the Animax i love the moment that through the years we had many local festivals that were promoting our old films, experimental and videoart weeks, or educational documentaries screening, usually in kino Frosina (named after our first independent movie from 1952) or later in Macedonian Cinemateque where are buried all films of ours! i must say that i miss those seventies movie mood when the public was receiving from the story extra metaphysical messages tho arranged in a way so even peasant can enjoy with educative smile upon his face, something that today is very rare or forgotten, coz normally we live in times of fleshy dadaism which even more normally lacks censorship [1] tho there are always exceptions eg. Contact [1], also must say that our videoart became 24/7 YT excursion which lost its storytelling and became empty, altho probably there are stil mainstream rebels like it was case early in 90's [1][2][3][4][5][6][7]... - maybe all of them are reflections from Osten and/or our largest film production company Vardar film which is holding the name of our largest river, as name was typical only for sport clubs, tho probably they were aware that only through art we can spread beyond our yard, eve it was etched from second hand! our existential experiments survived enough so we can stay calm til the next mega solar storm, when only celluloids will survive, tho its question in which hands will end up, coz they were and are more than that, maybe steady prophets of their own time! Edited by +Protagorist - 07-Oct-2018 at 03:14 |
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Quote Reply #120 Posted: 21-Oct-2013 at 17:10 | |
as always as i can remember here we were living with two things - art and politics, altho as appearances these two rarely mingle in original stew, coz here either politicians are artless til bone, or artists are unpolitized from bottom of their heart, and when someone gets loud he is either whore or traitor, til recently we didnt even had public antiglobalist thought, except for few which too originally demystified this process [1][2][3][4][5] maybe we lack some more comics than else [1][2][3]
this is even more strange coz as population across this mountains we were risen confronted with extra amount of conspiracies as internal so as external, maybe most tight than anywhere in the world in the past 40 centuries i.e. as long as here had existed some kind of culture, definitely since neolith there is struggle between two archetypes - forces of the good and evil and its followers which today could be recognized as those that strive for communism and those that are backing mammonism, altho both play largely with whole countries and populations as social experiments that will suite their future and cause! what a balkan fiction a, plus interactive BF even today, when as in trance all think that we almost have joined the european club for voluntary idiotism where only lobbyfication and indulgence works despite any injustice or risks! maybe true Political-BF that had strong artistic blow here is The Judge, experimental movie which creatively explains the core of all conspiracies! its macedonian-german coproduction which was filtered through few festivals, starting on 10.11.2002 in solun then venetia and after in skopye
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