Нова фасада на Министерството за правда

Originally posted by fichot (via google.translate macedonian<>russian) Добро пожаловать. Потому что вряд ли кто-нибудь здесь говорят на русском, я думаю, gugl.translejt достаточно хорошо переводит текст и может дополнительно использовать эту опцию.

колку само не е русин и е проѕирен

Пиши на английском языке, здесь большинство людей понимают по-английски. К сожалению, у нас мало кто понимает по-русски.

Ах тие меѓуспратни панели, зар не може да бидат во друга боја, боја на стаклото употребено за прозорците.

Си го заслужува местото овдека!

Edited by gorco - 26-Mar-2015 at 14:26

Горнион дел може да помине за бордел во Љу Орлеанс,остатокот е некој просек од сталинистичка архитектура.

Има ли зграда од новопечениот барок каде ги нема овие колони?

Да го искористеше времето за нешто корисно, можеби нов модерен дизајн на некој предмет или објект?
Јака ти душа, што си го трошиш животот на гнев и пасивност пред компјутерот.
Се слагам, од таму сме најјаки!

Edited by maks - 26-Mar-2015 at 15:07

фото: mkd.mk

Ми се допаѓа фасадава.Бордо-бело ми е омилена комбинација од бои.
Не ми се допаѓа што двои од околината,што задниот дел не е среден и што со народни пари се прави.

Originally posted by Rus77 With regard to the building of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia in Moscow ... It is a beautiful, monumental sample of Stalin Empire style. Communist architecture is both a beautiful, and ugly. And the building of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia how time refers to the beautiful samples. But despite its monumentality, and for residents of Moscow and tourists building of the Bolshoi Theater, the building department store CUM or passage GUM are more beautiful. By the way this is why despite the imperial scale of Moscow and magnificent examples of architecture of the period of communism, people in Russia and tourists consider aristocratic St. Petersburg much prettier. But again, in the case of Moscow, Minsk, Kiev,or for example of Tbilisi, architecture period of communism was monumental, beautiful and 20 years after the collapse of the communist regime, they all also adorn these cities to the delight of residents and tourists. In the case from Skopje apart from a few interesting, beautiful samples of modernism and brutalism like the building macedonian post, no nothing in order to residents worried about preservation. And it sad because before communism and earthquakes in 1963, Skopje was a typical beautiful European city. Therefore, these new classical building, these attempts to revive the European classical appearance Skopje is amazing and well, despite some vulgarity in proportions and decoration of buildings and unprofessional by architects. Even though the elements of kitsch, these new buildings and new classic facades much better,than the samples communist architecture that should be in the sleeping areas of city or suburbs, but not in the center of Skopje although of course this does not negate something that architects should be more professional in their work: in the construction or reconstruction of classical buildings, facades or sculptures.

Skopje was never (or since antiquity) a typical European city. Perhaps you know, it was under the Turks for more than 500 years which gave it quite the oriental look. European tendencies only began to (re)appear in the 1920s. The 30s brought the first modernist buildings, and it would surely continue to grow that way even w/o the commies or the quake.

Here you have a finished, fully-functioning building, quite normal I'd say, not a masterpiece, but certainly not ugly. And then you spend several million euros to paint over a fake neoclassical facade.
And this has happened (or will eventually happen) with dozens of other buildings (some of them, like the govt building, GTC, EVN, Metropol... significant examples of the city's architecture modern history). The post office you show admiration for will certainly be "baroque"-ized in some near future. And all this at the expense of hundreds of millions of euros in the near-poorest European country.
Most of the architects ignore the PM's neoneoclassical wishes, so you have the last 12 or so facades/buildings done by a single asswipe of an architect who appears alone on contests.

Can you imagine someone changing St. Basil's Cathedral into a Notre-dame look-a-like, simply based on personal taste?   

Instead of chasing after long abandoned ideals and making the city look like a movie set/theme park, Skopje would look more European if it embraced the current trends. At the moment, sadly, it falls somewhere between Disneyland/Las Vegas and Ashgabat (btw, do you admire this town's recent "neoclassical" revival also?)

Originally posted by fichot Skopje was never (or since antiquity) a typical European city. Perhaps you know, it was under the Turks for more than 500 years which gave it quite the oriental look. European tendencies only began to (re)appear in the 1920s. The 30s brought the first modernist buildings, and it would surely continue to grow that way even w/o the commies or the quake. Here you have a finished, fully-functioning building, quite normal I'd say, not a masterpiece, but certainly not ugly. And then you spend several million euros to paint over a fake neoclassical facade. And this has happened (or will eventually happen) with dozens of other buildings (some of them, like the govt building, GTC, EVN, Metropol... significant examples of the city's architecture modern history). The post office you show admiration for will certainly be "baroque"-ized in some near future. And all this at the expense of hundreds of millions of euros in the near-poorest European country. Most of the architects ignore the PM's neoneoclassical wishes, so you have the last 12 or so facades/buildings done by a single asswipe of an architect who appears alone on contests. Can you imagine someone changing St. Basil's Cathedral into a Notre-dame look-a-like, simply based on personal taste?    Instead of chasing after long abandoned ideals and making the city look like a movie set/theme park, Skopje would look more European if it embraced the current trends. At the moment, sadly, it falls somewhere between Disneyland/Las Vegas and Ashgabat (btw, do you admire this town's recent "neoclassical" revival also?)

Not only Macedonian Skopje but and other cities in the Balkan countries had the misfortune to be under the influence of the Ottoman Empire.... but visual and cultural Europeanization of these lands began a little earlier than the date of their liberation from the Ottoman rule.
I've seen pictures of many Balkan cities after their Europeanization: and Belgrade, and Sarajevo and Sofia early 20th century, ....and Skopje as these cities possibly a smaller scale passed a strong Europeanization. And judging by the photos Skopje 20s, 30s, Skopje before the spread of modernism, was already quite typical European city with the new center with the traditional "European classical face" while preserving the Albanian old center, which does not prevents the rest of the city inhabited by Slavs to be beautiful and typical European as it should have been and historically.
By the way i do not mind Modernist architecture, and I like modernism and brutalism, but in moderate doses or in combination with the classics, as for example in Belgrade, where the imperial architecture in large proportions, combined with elegant examples of modernism in smaller proportions, does the city a very stylish and interesting to the study. Alas, in the case of Skopje it is not so, after the earthquake, the city has retained very little of classical architecture by the way not its the best examples, and after an extensive renovation in the style of communism, finally turned into a gray, boring city without a "European look": as though Skopje not in Europe, and is the city of the New World. I think it's not fair, especially considering that before the earthquake it was not so.

As for the fake neoclassical facade. Better fake neoclassical facade than gray faceless architecture that perhaps that may exist in residential areas of the city, in quality the social housing, but not placed in the center of Skopje, where should be buildings as a showcase, a business card of the country. .... but not a cause of shame in front of tourists from other cities in the world, especially from such cities as for example Paris, Rome or St. Petersburg. Tourists will be disappointed when they saw a gray, faceless arhitecture. Need to be more far-sighted .... As regards costs, on the reconstruction of facades and new classical buildings to such things must not feel sorry for the moneys. Europeanization of the Balkan countries after of their liberation from the Ottoman Empire, also took place when these countries were poor. Money spent on the reconstruction of facades pay off thanks to tourists who are "new classical" Skopje will be much more interesting. The main thing that the architects who build these new buildings and new classical facades, should be more professional in their work: the construction or reconstruction of classical buildings, facades or sculptures.

With regard to such buildings as GOVT, GTC, EVN, Metropol ... I'm sorry but there is nothing special, especially the GTC ... they are too simple and slightly provincial for center the nation's capital. Modernism and Brutalism can also be majestic, as for example: building BANCO CENTRAL DE VENEZUELA CARACAS, EDIFICIO Contraloría de Bogotá, Banco Hipotecario Buenos Aires.
So in my opinion in the case of Skopje new neoclassical facades for these buildings ( GOVT, GTC, EVN, Metropol ): clearly better.


As for : "changing St. Basil's Cathedral into a Notre-dame look-a-like" .... strange comparison .... St. Basil's Cathedral is no worse than Notre Dame ... why reconstruct the magnificent cathedral, which beautiful absolutely for everyone.

As for Disneyland:.....Construction of buildings in the classical style is the recent trend in the world. And especially this trend progresses in developed countries with cities where and so many brilliant examples of classical architecture: for example the US, UK, Germany. So the idea that new buildings in the classical style will be Disneyland so luckily for the world was a myth. Explore this site: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1022349
The building in Las Vegas and especially Ashgabat is the last stage of kitsch. Or do you think those who support the idea of building in the classical style, always tasteless.
I already wrote, that the new buildings in Skopje, in the classical style, reconstruction of facades and sculptures, built unfortunately clearly with error, but the idea of ​​reincarnation a gray and faceless city in classic European city is well and should be continued for the benefit of the citizens, but architects should be more professional in their work.

Edited by Rus77 - 27-Mar-2015 at 01:20