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  Quote Max Quote  Post ReplyReply #41 Posted: 20-Jun-2012 at 01:01




in between or after all when visiting Macedonia, its normally one to be boggled by historic fama, about who is who, why and where is actually located on the balkans, peninsula that should be called (logically as in whole ancient world) by the largest states that flourished there, such as Macedonian, Ilyrian or Byzantian! ( byzant is also foreign naming that actualy was eastern empire) or eventually if its looked as geographical term then as Dinar Peninsula after the Dinar Alps that stretches from Postojna Gate in Slovenia through Dinara, Moracha and Shar-Tsar til mount Pind in Macedonia, though dinar is also rather roman than local name, as is the term Balkan which actually means balcony, although many falsely believe that its turkish term meaning blood and honey, although in ancient times the balkan mount was known as Haemon a mount between macedon and thrace that meant blood, where once lived the famous lyric poet Orphen... this misunderstanding is also applied to the ancient cultures that flourished here, not like elsewhere that should be identified rather geographically than ethnically, as is case with i.e. hellenism that is actually Egean culture with origins from egypt and mesophotamia, later passed throught kingdom of minoa to egean shores, where mingling with indigenous bronze age cultures from this peninsula, had reach its own classicism and culmination in time of macedonian empire... from this actually emerge modern negation of our name and nation, as greeks believe that all antiquity was greek, especially macedonian, coz obviously the common aegean culture had culmination through macedonia upon the world... this is so ethnocentric assumption from romantism, that even today is perceived as normal to everything from antiquity here to be asserted with greek or greeks, term that in macedonian means someones who snores(grchi), those who are not understandable, same as they in history pointed at us like those that were babbling thus for them known as barbarians, so today our south neighbors think that although we live in areas of ancient macedonia we dont claim right to antiquity, just like eager child crying for his toys, thus taking some xenophobic right to dispute others any belonging to the famous past... ok, let them have it as such, until they grown up and eventually accept that anyone who lives on this peninsula has right on the famous period of humanity known as antiquity... whatever our neighbors culturally or historically dispute us, this is our historical timeline accepted by our scientists as Macedonian History http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/ConciseMacedonia/timeline.html

this paradox from all balkan ethnocentrism is simply elaborated in the satirical documentary - whose is this song [1][2][3] in which I can gladly add that only in macedonia was honestly stated that is cover of turkich song



one thing is fact, that here on this peninsula as always races and tribes mingle in same stew, but still they inherited and kept the main ingredients as it was the heliolatric cult [1] around whom similar tribes joined later in macedonian kingdom, or further e.g. Christianity as religion has united everybody in bizant... this base gives own specific taste to the region, and althought many world conquerors passed here, still those who stayed got assimilated by the local cultures, and if we generalize Macedonian Culture is mix from all ages from neolith til today, while our south neighbors recognize it as slavic, that as such is not false at all, even more, epithet which is also true for them coz btw except here southern slavs settled in all regions of nowadays greece too...   
latter is meaningless to wonder why, this or that, for us or them, is significant or true, coz balkan history is mostly ethnocentric stuffed with lot of political prejudice, that if is embedded in the future too, can produce only separation instead unification! simple as anybody here, we have also all rights to the history and its puzzles, in one or another way... quick tip: it is best if regional past is observed as emotional toboggan where is better if you slide without stucking to some egocentric traps, just enjoy the ride through stories as from one book instead from countless pamflets!
finally if someone wants to live or be one with some tradition, then everyone should respect that, for me that is Christianity + our music + our language, everything else imposed by others is only envy from their fear or laziness...


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  Quote Max Quote  Post ReplyReply #42 Posted: 22-Jun-2012 at 05:22


to understand Macedonia is same as if one is trying to resample distant mosaic from long historic highway, on which everyone that was born here, passing by or simply wanted to be part of, has added own mark, direction and in many cases numbering e.g. nowadays population statistics like nativity origin by genes [1][2] which even tho scientifical still sounds like silent nazi aproach of counting uncovinient neighbours [3][4], also be aware from the meaningless of modern interpretations that refining of old traditions imposing it as definite e.g. my door is shiny and yours carved badly while theirs painted strangely and thats it, like the form above all is even more important than the essence(the wood its usefulness or the portal as concept vis-a-vi handicraft carving ideas)...       
maybe best way to get clear picture about the genezis mosaic, is one not to bother too much with autobiographical detailing, as it should with storytellers views! and when seeking info from someone, firstly learn what kind of ability and affinity has or have the local judge: an acrobat, an juggler or a clown, and maybe then he/she/it can get close to the pure spring of local wisdom, for me the Orthodox Christianity that again and finally should unite us here on this common balcony! more strangly even tho we have love based faith, ethnophiletists managed through the centuries with greedy politics backed by west, mostly in romanticism, to divide us and twist our love in possessive manner, that litlle by little had become nationalistic wall of haterate, hope not for long...



storytelling is always fun if accepted like story, but if the listeners are too bemused and everything watch as finate, then the storytellers are becoming historians which as such always use or impose own view as final, although all of them are talking for theories backed by unclear facts, specially when point to something like one culture as local concept! still more or less, many tings can be reconstruct and traced from the centuries, starting with the local tribes as first large piece of one local cultural system...
...tribes that have been united coz coexistence, by similarity or needs, in a way like those that lived in this areas, joining their forces and believes
even in stone age when they were known as Pelazgs i.e. pelasgic race, that in between bronze and iron age as similar heliolatric tribes stood together on same side, the TROan side, as is stated in ILIad... they were predecessors of macedonians [1][2][3] that united as one with epicentar in Ayga and later in Pela then in Heraclea i.e. macedonian tribes like BRIGIans or FRIGIans, ELIMENIans, LINKESTIans, ORESTIans, PELAGONIans, PEONIans or PAEONOIans, PIERIans, VENETIans or ENETIans, etc. who in the troan war were standing against Danaans/Denyen and their allies. ...this remembrance from Troy and the similarity with it i.e. among similar tribes on this peninsula can be found in the topography through whole peninsula even in middle ages, when slovens inherited the local traditions e.g. the peak Triglav meaning Three/Trinity/ThreeHeads that also contributed to quick accepting and practicing of Christianity by the natives, in antiquity known generally as Ilirs, that earlier in neolithic age were known by another general term PELAsgians etymon derived from the word a'pollo referring to those from the egean culture that worshiped the Sun(heliolatry), further famous as ELins, ILirs or later referred by the western world as ALbans when they were living in Banates from the prefix El,Il,Al, that means Light, in Christianity used as suffix in the names of the Archangels... so from my point of view, mostly looking for similarities than differences i.e the concept for the door above, ellins are also people of the light as in north were illyrs - names applied to all people of similar language and customs [1] in brother range all tribes that early worshiped the sun in southern areas, but today in this way as helens(elins) and helenism(elinism) falsely narrowed to culture that belongs only to modern greeks, idea that mythicaly suppose that they were called like that by the hero hellen or called greeks by the hero graikos, as is also supposed for Macedon as name, according to homers contemporary the poet hesiod, that makedon was son of zeus and decalions dother thyia, although in support of my sunny theory there is evident findings suggesting that the name is derived from the solar diety Ma, still there are few other mostly linguistical thesis that were accepted as root for the name Macedonia [1]... nevertheless all theories about etymology, Macedonia was known as geographic region by whom the local tribes that united their forces got its name, latter becoming first european empire... too large legacy to be carried only by one tribe today, thats why I can freely say that on this peninsula everyone are Macedonians and can freely call themselves as one, but not doing it so, and in same time forbidding to others to do so, is not action from the light and enlightened!, same if today europeans are forbidden tomorrow to call themselves as they are or like! culture is and always will be concept of tradition and not on boundaries!
       
and before some one franticly reacts, just remember I am storyteller, how relevant let everyone decide by himself, and in the end if someone get lost or confused, its better not to ask me for further directions on this historic highway, but rather skip mine and go after others on it! just stay positive if you want to be enlightened at the end, that actually is the beginning... once we stop looking back in time for accusation or confession, just then we might learn something from the past! and is strongly recommended, on our local paths, instead the brain to listen to the heart, that says - only ting that matters is freedom (but not so the historical or physical, as the cultural and spiritual, coz only way to transcendent is to love and only free people can freely love thus sharing and not be selfish) still although ridiculous in balkans even today can be found countries dreaming that they are authentically-closed, tho all europe is full of prejudice [1][2][3] that is imposed freely, and in same time teaching and correcting others about life&politcs!

quick tip: always see the ancient past of this region as enlightened world heritage, that can be narrowed to few most important points:
...1. Alexander from Pela - while uniting the whole world in antiquity, among other scientifical and cultural foundations, spreads the koine language that had became base for easily spreading of the Word of God... language that as standardized in the macedonian empire opened doors for Apostle Paul to spread the Word in Macedonia...
...2. Constantine from Naisus divided the roman empire and acknowledge Christianity as state and main religion that flourished in its east empire...
...3. Justinian from Tauresium strengthened Christianity resolving all heresies that were in the east empire, also standardized the ancient law system and built here Justiniana Prima that as regional center mediated between rome and constantinople thus stopping their argues about jurisdiction(supremacy) over the provinces of ilyricum and macedonia, becoming third in the rang of the equals that latter was succeeded by the Archbishopric of Ohrid...      

again, those that needs to argue or dispute my views, is better to do that on some sports match where should stay all the buzz, roars and trumphing, as all do!


      


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  Quote Max Quote  Post ReplyReply #43 Posted: 25-Jun-2012 at 07:40

stories, history and archeology, all of them if observed as cultural antropology instead physical, can offer enjoyment exempt from the historical sparkling, especially while visiting but even more if living here!
in opposite lite there is the physical approach of anthropology, that for this peninsula suggest racial dominance or interchange between the white and black race after the ice age i.e. between pelasgians and achaeans [1] theory mostly backed by martin bernal in his work black athena [2][3], from this approach is also derived the Panslavic theory, lately also subdue to revisions [1][2][3]



Slovens, despite the theory for slovo and slava as ethnonym, official science recognized them as sclavini that is general term more as toponym than ethnonym coz it was used by the bizantines in away as earlier achaeans used the term barbarians [1][2][3] definitely Slovens lived and live here, nevertheless the cultural or physical approach of the science; that by the first one they finally settled here in 6th century, mingling with and assimilated by the natives; by the second approach they were natives here; and in between is the theory that they Slavians(famous one) in 1-2c.BC flee from here after roman cleansing to north and east (romans struck from south) and came back in 4c.AD after fall of rome and rising again of the east empire in face of byzant, thus in this case they easily accepted Christianity as similar believe system like their heliolatric past...
...though more adequate info for the previous post, at this point is interesting to be noted that when Constantine acknowledged Christianity as state religion, he devoted seventh day for God and in honour of his ancestors from naisus called it dies solis i.e. Sunday [1][2][3] that shows how, when and where was the crossover from paganism to Christianity...   

south slavic tribes exist in Macedonia even today as regional groups like Brsyatsi, Miyatsi, Shopovi etc. that didnt form own state after tsar Samoil up until ASNOM in 1944, and in-between they were mainly united through Ohrid Archdiocese orthodox chruch that in middle ages had main role as protector of national identity, arrogately even today both Samoil and formed by him OA are disputed by modern bulgarian historics as macedonian, something like brits to say that washington is theirs, ridiculous but hey we dont bother as they are [1][2][3] in my opinion first page of our struggle for identity, even more important than earlier puzzles i.e. more important than the ancient pride coz its root of our slavic Church and our slavic Cristianization, bulgars got trnovo, srbs pech, and we ohrid as spiritual center, tho all of them still waiting on greeks to recognize us so they can too(as in public so as in church politics) - even greater paradox than previous, that maybe eventually economists will resolve it... from that time we have rich orthodox Christian tradition from art and architecture through rituals and customs til books and manuscripts, rich slavic treasury where is found the oldest dated Slavic text that is a gravestone inscription erected in 993 by Samoil [1][2] which like many other artifacts in time of balkan wars sailed out from here, maybe justly coz others were trying to destroy it [3] in their age of ethnic catharsis [4][5] or our struggle to survive the avid dawn of balkan romanticism and post-industrial european development...

as Macedonians even in middle ages although similar still we were not same with our slavic neighbors, with close ties to all of them, tho more with serbian than bulgarian slavs which as clans ciesed to exist but mainly coz serbian tribes acknowledged macedonia as own homeland [1] and thus bonding the relationship, although its obvious that tsar Dushan made this in a way like tsar Samuil done it early, so it could get primacy to crown, still Dushan was in relative ties with Samuil and choose Skopje for capital... finally its difficult to draw clear line of the cultural affiliation between the tribes, still bulgarians were more distant to us than serbs back then, coz they were established by turko-mongol tribes that settled in thracia, even tho they were assimilated by the local culture, so our cultural differences became very small, only pronounced by the momentary church or territorial divisions, first in byzantine and later in ottoman empire, thus it was clear way after the abolishment of Ohrid Archdiocese instantly to began a fast assimilation of macedonian population by the 19c. balkan states and their enlargement agendas, population that since the conspiratory abolishment of OA in 1767 officially didnt had chance to identify itself, nor as Christians of Ohrid Archdiocese coz it was banned, and from then on were considered or counted as member of neighboring churches, nor they were able to identify as Macedonians coz back then in ottoman era censuses were based on religious affiliation and not on ethnicity coz the ottoman caliphate was an empire and an empire never speaks about ethnic groups to avoid strong selfawarnes in occupied but not truly assimilated lands, in this case in its european part, where people could stay homogeneous only through traditional rituals, songs and dances that made them distinctive in this region...



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later in balkan romanticism even tho every neighbor introduced itself as rescuer of macedonia and macedonians from ottoman empire, they just swept the turks, that can be seen from theirs estimations for population in then still turkish macedonia [1] in which everybody counted the natives as own population, although their appetites were largely supported, acknowledged and directed from elsewhere, thus I never accuse my greedy brothers-by-faith as main culprit for the ethnic cleansing in and dividing of Macedonia [1][2]...
...as such easily possible after our premature ILInden uprising in 1903 that was intentionally and recklessly pushed by pro-bulgarian fractions among the macedonian Voivodi from the famous - internal macedonian revolutionary organisation - VMRO who leaded the footsoldiers Komiti (komita is macedonian guerrilla soldier named by the middle age title for duke - komitopul, or maybe derived from the local name for wine pomace - komina), all of this altogether with earlier Macedonian Insurrections weakened our strength, so later in the balkan wars we became even easily manipulated with promises that never saw the day til we didnt get chance for new unification in wwII, that was supported truly by the cpy comrades, although those from the south of cpg also gave open support but eventually withheld it, and in the end of wwII coz we were backed mostly by parties from former kingdom of shs we have decide to join the yugoslav federation, although this affiliation to and from our half-brothers from north, might got different course today if in that same federation had entered socialist bulgaria [1][2] coz after macedonian exodus and population exchange in balkan wars large number of our brothers from aegean macedonia were expelled to bulgaria thus opening room for even greater common ties with bulgaria, that exist earlier through the pirin part of macedonia whic as always was settled with macedonians, one of those macedonians probably as repentance for his notorious past while he was in forefront of vmro, help to be determined the wwII course when through the brits in instanbul hinted the soviets for the barbarossa operation timing, of then their nazi allies [1][2] who on the other hand symbolically started that same war with marseille assassination in 1934 [1][2] organized by his pro-bulgarian vmro, that although once before him was straight revolutionary org., with him became most notorious terrorist org. in europe, or as nazi abwehr stated best organized conspirarly diversant org. in europe [1][2] from the last link on p.191 - eventully more like contracted mob org, that as trigger is even responsible for the serbo-croatian envy in wwII, that even today evoke emotions, tho incomparable to our own sufferings and casualties that those mobsters had or helped to be done here between its own brothers, actually he and those like him, as already noted above, were pro-bulgarian oriented, seeing autonomous macedonia in auspices of bulgaria, a not so conspirative act as it was naive belief that then the bulgarian kingdome is their true supporter, coz many macedonians were part of the bulgarian government and parliament, as it was premier andrey lyapchev, ironicly if they were suporters why his predecessor alex stamboliski made agreement in neully for mass deportation of macedonians from greece with its premier eleftherios venizelos, who biside that take part in dividing of macedonia in bucharest, uncommonly for common greeks had been very aware about the macedonians stressing that Macedonians are not pure bulgarians, but something between bulgarians and serbians [1], actually if one observe closely our neighborhood will notice that macedonia is link between serbia and bugaria although different as e.g. asserts victor friedman, who is underlined even by greek historics, that Macedonian as balkan language contains many dialects transitional between serbian and bulgarian [2] really rare exceptions from our south neighbors in our modern history stretched between the freedom for own identity, own church and own prosperity [1][2][3][4][5]...

and finally after the second world war our existence was insured when Macedonians lead by the first president Chento formed own free state that joined the socialistic yugoslav(soth-slav) federation, as one of the six south slavic republics(with rom&bul should be 8) til its dismantle in 1991 when we became fully independent but kept the republican polity, and although distinctly marked as Republic of Macedonia still from then on an eyesore for the neighboring balkanism [1][2][3] hilarious situation that suggests how deep goes human possessivity although we all share same world, life and hopes, plus in our local balcony same faith, culture and economy, definitely someone wants to hold us back never to unite again, as we were in antiquity or later in middle ages, second time it lasted for 1000 years in face of eastern empire known as byzant, common ground that today is also consumed rather as dividing instead common point, I hope not for long coz as Christians we are obligated on true love that always forgives and forget all wrong no matter what, and as neighbors we got only each other if we want to survive the upcoming world economic challenges, still first of all everyone need to overcome own fatamorgans or maybe own blind emotions if not their xenophobic barricades...



quick tip: if you want to spent your time around as wandering tourist, know that you'l need more focused time, lot of talks and traveling, just to get glimpse of our history and euro-limbo way of life that can be observed straight [1][2][3] or neglectfully relaxed [1][2][3] so beside the casual and cultural, there is always extra opportunity for histo-political tourism, but more like improvised research than organized event, that luckily only lacks the danger element, as is also case with the ex-war torism, a hidden option like it is stated in the second part of post #39, that is even more improvised than the casual tourism here!, and better to stay like this coz the hosts might get too emphatic over it thus atracting bad attention due to the old wounds of balkanism, that will heal only if all of us find common ground, at least with the earthly belongings e.g. if not from epoch of miocen [1][2][3] in the ice age, then in its end from the paleolithic time [1][2][3] although it would be fastest way to surpass the differences through our common spiritual ground Christianity, but angaged above local-patriotism i.e. ethnophiletism, or above the law of diffirences, if till then europe is still the same as we know it today...

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want more dont loose your self and for sure fasten your seatbelts, if ur interested in modern macedonian history, coz its a bumpy road without spare bulb kit on it, oddly which can be still found if ur here mostly in confectioneries like shekerezada(peculiar one) or apche(a sugar pill) so u can soothe any bitter incisiveness along the ride... in the beginning must say that all roughness in the end is smoothed easy when one understands that must obey to the spiritual principles that brings quick and steady harmony e.g. in our modest history there is very significant orthodox feast a Day of Forgiveness (Prochka) the first Sunday of Eastern Lent that is necessary condition for all Christians to become or stay Christians! it is a golden mean between our sorrow and our happiness, coz of what as individuals but more as collective we not tend to be vigilantes thus truly forgive, even tho many dont forget the atrocities that were against us, which is only ok to be remembered how can prevent them not happening again, beside this it would be ideal if media would stop recycling those painful memories as bestsellers, still as institutions must admit that today we'r little bit more forgetful awkwardly repeating or aloving one and a same mistakes to roll around, as is the case with the regular ambushes of our presidents, that are probably just kibernetic guilt that could be easily overcome if is uncovered and located as such - a war of the worlds conspiracy...
also unlike in most of the world, we celebrate our defeats as most precious freedom ideals, not like struggle for pride and victory, but as sacrifice for freedom, from 1014 over 1903-1913 til 2001, always keeping the awareness that even in hardest times we are victorious coz at least we are trying not to give up i.e. that the sacrifice is one of the most respected virtues in Orthodox Christianity... even today we are subdue to this virtue as nation, when maybe culturally we fought our battle of all battles, where as believers we should defensively withstand all the pressure for selfdinail or surrender so we can become otan/eu member i.e. idealism vs materialism, pressure that officially last 21y. since our independence as republic, when our neighbors decided that although they didnt have anything agaist us for the last 50 years while we were member of sfry, sudently they convince themselves that we are threat, so immediately jumped out managing own macedonian identity from toponims, airports, etnicum, brands, etnonyms [1] special war in which that if in the begging of the past century assimilation was their main method, in the end of that same century this speciality is pushed with substitution, which for us is ordeal similar to don kihote and the windmills, especially coz our political representatives have consensus that euro-atlantic integrations are irreplaceable and only roote for our future (tho enforced option with multiethnic fuse) where normally we will stay in the waitingroom couchette until we get hungry enough to become compatible for official selfdinial!? in a way I'm thankful to the greece coz they are stopping us to become members of globalized(eu) or imperialistic(otan) clubs, where even tho we are not members we participate within them like some supported grant for our stability as we were surrounded from all sides by talibans, nevertheless this situation could be seen as stance like sisuphos paradox that will end once we understand that this rock we carrying on is not just burden which could be sold, but sapphire that should be kept as sacred stone which could be only shared! still our neighbors become so greedy, that only politics they have left on this matter is - o my precious, oof its not their fold and I dont blame them, only thing that bothers me is - do this identity battle should continue politically and hold us as virtual hostages endlessly, or should be fought mainly in the historic books and against propaganda machinery falsification that faction around for at least 2 centuries, trying to assimilate everything that they feel as own, if you ask them they will say as always, yeah even in the paleolith!
all of this altogether with all our past, push our strength to carry on even tho we are pressured til our limits, speaking politically, but we are used to it and almost addicted to it, and if stays like this only let it be with less hatred and more understanding, as all of us knows what means to be imprisoned, broke or abandon, a situations that is surly sliping out from our yard, hope it would from the others too if they had learn their lesson    



this pressure is also spread within our dear Macedonia, from spies, quislings, renegades, even borg-o-ids a modern type of mercenaries, at least not so active as they've been in the past like when as irony few years after ASNOM in the new socalist republic of Macedonia our first president Metodia Andonov Chento was imprisoned by his comrades (and died as consequence) coz its unsuitable views for right of macedonians: on self determination, self management, independence and right to continue the struggle for United Macedonia, or probably mostly coz its motives for free economy under eastern or western protection [1] conspirativly observed as result of our pride and stubborn views on yalta agreement, as nation we became prisoners of our freedom ideals, and as insurance that Macedonia would stay obeyed then to the central in belgrade, titoists hold back our economy at low rates, coz hungry people dont have plenty time for uniting or agitation, dictatorship that used all possible methods of political correctness and purification of our society, not that we were only who suffered under the communist regime, still only one that after own independence were again targeted through its president but now in 1995 when was organized assassination attempt on the first president of the democratic republic of Macedonia, car-bomb attack suspected that is act of patriot punishment motivated by betraying of the constitutional name and flag (the attack was in the eve of greeko-macedonian interim accord when socialists agree to change the flag that was accepted few years early as official), still it was a destabilization greeting that was delivered once it was obvious that we are not joining again the leftover of yu-federation, even tho then our confused authorities officially suspected on criminal plot from serbo-bulgarian state sponsored mafia that were smuggling oil through macedonia backed by domestic structures of neighboring intelligence kos, however the bomb-attack was day after a visit of gligorov to belgrade i.e. to miloshevich to tell him the news, cant imagine which was more terrifying for him, the expired chance for new fed. or that the oil parade will stop... so gligorov pushed by eu, issued immediate stop to the un-embargo-violations that til then had helped serbia to survive the '90s oil crisis [1][2][3] thus he became target as for domestic so as for neighboring groups, ideal timing for assault so it would be hard to determine who is behind it, and even today the case is unsolved yet closed, as is also case with his successor our second democratic president Boris Traikovski who died in a plane crush in 2004 while visiting bosnia, the case is closed and officialy is pilot error accident, still all circumstances points to murder, especially the one that night before his departure he left the marking in the Bible on the 35th Psalm... also many local groups from the conflict in 2001 dont lacked motive, when as chief of command he was most responsible for the defense of the country, thus helping quick resolve of the conflict through the ohrid agreement (many dont had that in mind) agreement that put end on our artificially ethnically-divided past in the country already explained in post #24, then maybe, there were also foreign motives coz Boris also as Kiro was mason! maybe not free, yep they were trying to build few presidential residences -(۩)- joking! actually they were awarded with maltese crosses, kiro in '97 [1] while boris posthumously in 2004 on the commemorative session in the macedonian parliament, tho he already got one in 2000 from the order of kcmg [2] so it could be freely speculated that they were both attacked eider coz betrayal of orthodoxy or disobedience to free masonry, tho its offside speculation coz kiro is attacked earlier and boris was protestant, whatever is true its fact that our country leaders consciously or unconsciously are becoming sworn western allies, as is also case with our last president George Ivanov that holds also maltese cross [3], only our third democratic president Branko Crvenkovski, earlier youngest pm, managed to stay without public masonic mark, maybe coz he was awarded by our local-size entrepreneurs from post #40 for its positive role in the post-socialistic privatization of the public capital!
all of this suggest that moldern macedonian leaders juggling quite easy, when it comes to most frightful job in the world! to be president is same as to be national warble if not parrot, that choose between life behind doors or adventure in forest, tho our last few were concrete-jungle riders with regular big smile...



despite our arduous freedom, in this land assassination were normal occurrence as long til early antics e.g. death of phillip II of makedon, still more frequent than normal in the dawn of romanticism when macedonian terrorists e.g. planned assassination on the turkish sultan or executed the king of greece in salonica-1913 and latter in marseille-1934 the king of serbia, however not so important from this distance tho then pretty big issues... from similar aspect but revolutionary, today most remarkable thing in our modern parliamentary democracy, that could be found among few in the world and none in europe, is real existence of revolutionaries in the public assembly from all major ethnicums, some of them although as historic affiliation still officially expressed as IMRO-dpmne, and some of them unofficial but acctual, today reformed as dui, one popular belief is that all of this is due to the destiny here to be ar-magedon i.e. the land of makedon, tho I hope this is just misinterpreted theory of the bible revelation...
and if its any comfort still our modern history didnt bring to us such sufferings as those that got our ancestors in the past, maybe only larger burden is that as free macedonians we are in front of our false dilemma: should we stay own on our own, for what many generations gave their lives, or we should deny-nagate-forgot our selves, so we can rush in the promise land in face of the european union, already stated above a choice between idealism and materialism, that could be also used as compass to understand what kind of country we are or why we'r not so progressive i.e. more enjoying collecting songs than instruments...
quick tip: stay away from meaningless argues upon balkan politics and its endless history of violence, just look for quick references to avoid wasting unnecessary time, like local timeline of '90s or timeline of 00's that could serve as snik-pik in the mirror-peak that shaped our way of life... so our short independent history is also full of intrigues that added latino feel to our glowing atmosphere, where intuition spreads through air, that is regularly refined as trach(rummor) by-product which after is spread through radio mileva - a gossip girl that can quickly become spy if start messing with politics when is becoming kodosh - a pejorative for rats from our socialistic past when spying was obligatory to alsmost half of the country population that helped world wide udba to maintain firm behavior in the republic, happily today their successors act mostly electronically so the atmosphere is more clear than ever, still our big brothers cares for all of us 24/7 as are their cousins by title elsewhere       

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as main reason for our turbulent past, as a rule always is dumped our economy, that is extra argument but in the real life politics is not the only screw! many believe that if we had better standard that we could have less corruption or better life, yes, but also more opportunity for decadence and violence, coz when with this salaries we are recognized by the world as happiest hedonists what to say if we were like greece for example, we could indulge ourselves til apathy, sadly which now shakes them, but it could easily buzz us also if we continue to stimulate our economy with constant consumeristic approach, method that is promoted in the last 10 years as one without substitute, quickly doubling our external debt for a half, tho we are still in the range of BB+ aka junk and fortunately climbing just up...
our economy is small but stable, that was immune even to the world and latter to the european recession, we menage to overcome all obstacles without any danger or big difficulties, hope it would go on like this, only we lack turbo-busting of small and middle companies, their cooperation and standardization, which is in effect but out of balance...
by quality of life we are not among the best yet above the average, but sure among free ones coz banks were pretty suspicious in the past and after last world economy slump even more doubtful, in future maybe even further, so they didnt issued freely or constantly their credit lines, thus keeping us of the consumeristic hook, stimulating real spendings but in same time busting the grey economy and bad statistics, that again might be overrun if not by loans then only with communes...

Macedonia with its resources and laws is ranked very high, few years in a row holds the title 3rd best reformer in the world i.e. third most improved economy in the world, this year moved 12 places from the 34th to the 22nd place [1] and going further at the moment on the 21th place in the world bank doing-business-rank... also it holds 44th place on the economic freedom index [1]... even tho Unemployment is a serious issue here, probably coz we had risen our level of expectation from balkan to euro salaries (today we are in level with bulgaria) i.e. young people expect european carfare but with balkan prices... still its bearable life even for the poor coz our balkan prices of goods, food and bills are ten times smaller than those in europe, excusably coz tolerated infringing and parallel market goods, believe me its not comparable neither to many balkan countries e.g. with our current minimum wage of 250 euros per person one family could live steady life, mainly in larger cities where incomes are regular which couldnt be said for our rural areas, tho I think there are also regular in one or another way, coz we are mostly patriarchal society living in close ties with our relatives from usually big families that tends to hold each other, tho lately this is becoming more questionable due to the pronounced materialism and compact family approach as main guideway, a contemporary lifestyle apart the rural areas especially in large town like skopje where its citizens leave little space for homogenous survival, that eventually should be compensate by ngo activism... Officially unemployment remains high at 29.1%, but is definitely overstated based on the existence of an extensive gray market, estimated to be between 20% and 45% of GDP, that is not captured by official statistics [1] unemployment early even higher but in the last few years with rapid decline [2] and although on our cost yet we'r still calm as public opinion when those splutter numbers are in question coz all knows that this is too deceptive, but investors are simply astonished when they found article like this, chewing only the negative effect and not the opportunity for open european place that have low investment costs, from taxes over salaries til prices! to be honest if those working abroad seasonally or permanently dont send checks back home, the statistics would be more than true... for this situation main culprit is 1993 method of management bay-out privatization, when public capital was privatized through oligarchs than real managers, truly backed by our secret service clans and their arms a confused local politicians, which unlike the politicians in other countries from socialistic transition who strive to be noticed for not stealing, our without a single exception aim to steal without being noticed, so the cycle was complete and the circle round tho it was mandatory our managers to be postulants of the regime and mostly with low quality of knowledge, honour to few, which adaptability to the new economic game was debacle for our country, but sure cheap opportunity for them by devaluing the companies to easily bought them off, in same time pumping out that capital instead reinvesting it home, normally most of it transferred through of-shore banks so their families later would be safe from court readmission... blow that loose our belt for around 15 to 20billions if not more! still there are other factors e.g. before the independence, our companies produced for market of 22 million people in former Yugoslavia, and immediately after that the market slumped to the local 2mil. coz our managers didn't find sustainable ways to open new markets, also there was the greek embargo, neighboring yu-embargo, then the constant regional instability as bumper for greenfielders etc. maybe while we were in the southslav union, if titoist's had been more generous than greedy, or more civil than militaristic, or more local than centralized [1][2][3] maybe if, as result today after 50 years we could have strong economy backed by complete infrastructure and vital urbanization, that would have withstand any external or internal economic tsunami which had struck down here since our independence, still this is not excuse for our transitional incapability
transition, a too hard economic crossover for us, when many banks became pyramids and many companies empty barrels, when the system was hole for criminals and corruption was like saying good morning, people hm they were just statistic in our academic crosswords! finally slowly but surly we are getting out from it, keeping only the grey market habits for now as not so distant practices that eventually will become just old fluffy memories, but only if without doubts people understand that being registered and paying taxes is for common good, process which now is fastening with decentralization means...



despite the numbers and year to year expenses that rise faster than the salaries, we can survive only if we revive our productiveness or if we attract extra green investments, that except with reforms, are chased globally with campaigns like http://investinmacedonia.com or are helped by others as own marketing benefit Guide to Doing Business and Investing in Macedonia which at least got extra photos in their booklets! aggressive in attracting foreign direct investments, we are quickly emerging from the regional mud with prommising push-pull strategies which wasnt case til recently when we were mainly selling-out our golden chickens as investment cake, a hopeless move that was carried-on by every government in-the-past!
from this stance when compared today with old eu-member like greece, it could be said that we are more capitalistic than they are, ironicly we have left in state possession only the roads, dams, powerplants, water, land, air and people + maybe few looser companies that cant be sold, everything else is in private hands, tho coz of their crisis greece is open for quick sell of their state assets! to our surprise this is also opportunity for macedonia that we've been waiting for a while coz russia and china announced we're definitely coming in... its only question is this just false hope or true goal, in that case they will invest largely in whole balkan - its on sellout - thus helping euro to become stable and even stronger than before, and coz strong euro means weak dollar then weak steering-wheel for usa, as consequence usa need constant instability in this region in one or another way, so it could keep europe in hand i.e. could keep own market share, this is solely their old observation that "the real threat to european security (read-global autonomy) is likely to come not from the confrontation in central europe - as in the past - but from the political instability in south-eastern europe" [1] also frоm this aspect could be observe the american help(read ties) tо greece, to falsify their debt and deficit data reports but when needed it would be used i.e. when the dollar was half euro and china was seeking quick way to buffer her dollar deposits with euros ultimately weakening further the us-economy, suddenly someone pull the mask that unveiled the greek cross-currency-swaps which little by little forced greece to come to the point when in the MORning of 01.05.2010 simply announced: good NIght euro, tho most of the union is still trying to wake up from that nightmare that followed constantly throwing saving belts to its inception*** [1] this may sound like delight on others misfortune, but isnt, firstly I dont use pejoratives like Fake GDP or Grexit GDP, second if greece went bankrupt we are the first neighbors that will feel that, and third foremost the main point is - will usa concede burst of russian and chinise capital here... and maybe if not definitely, this is all just another predetermined move on the globalization chess board, in which as economies we are just reminiscent pеons trying to attract some cooperation and attention, in our case for now mostly through cake commercials     




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if after all u decide that from traveler become investor or u know some one that can benefit here, dont worry, just introduce u're self as manager, at least u'l get free tour around!
u know every single macedonian is born missionary salesman, so when trying to bye something big but cheap-dirt, know that ur on the right place, coz everything is on sale how we can sustain own unsustainability, not joking after we sold all public assets til 2000, afterwards we started to sell whats left already numbered above, luckily til now there were not many interested costumers...
sadly our selfesteem is on prehistoric level when matchstick would be revolution, yet in similar way we got it even today e.g. in alshar [1][2][3] but waiting others to ignite it and use it, yeah we will make them sandwiches and give them break massages while they exploit the mineral, yep i also think is over-exaggerated that even alex exploited it for the ancient macedonian shields and latter he made L depots from it in the himalayas...



ah is there any eh ih oh football game to be sold its boring to wait on annual state sale-off, latest unbelievable was -90% off, they were giving up the state flag!
   - to start with I disagree that roads should be sold! if they can they(the authorities and their academic advisors) would sell even ancient road, in a way its like selling own life decisions! and is truly understandable that the government wants in this way to refurbish or complete the large and mostly needed infrastructure, but what kind of independence is that, where in your yard someone else is holding and benefiting from your trees, even he planted them!? our reckless and forced need for modern infrastructure by any price is really self-depreciation specially coz in no time in eu those routes would be covered by the union...
   - other spill is our open sell-out of land, tho we had not reached bulgarians yet where brits are buying whole villages, but if there is any interest ours will be sold for sure, so we can overfill the country with all the nations from the world, at least we have room for them in our preambule - pardon its not ours its on our inc. country club, where e.g. mining industry is becoming one big concern - anyone can ask for exploration permit and after easily get concession for exploitation, this is like selling some family member on licitation so the house can cover its extremely ludacris style, oh this year we need new tv, hm lets sold one of the kids!? as grannys are in shortage!
   - then there is the water just name it u could open bottling plant even on the mountain top! or maybe u want own river, no problem for us is just like another sister that is replaceable, at lest u will respect its purity and beuaty...
   - air ok that is free of charge if u have some surplus pollutants coz ur investor, even its ok if u want to polut the dense populated areas, we have quite working example in the usye factory 5km from the center of the capital, tho if u have desire its manageable to install ur chimney without eu-stndardized filters at lest untill u paid back ur investment!
   - people oh they are disposable in tons, u know they can work for subvalue wages coz u know we train them from small to ask only for warm bread, dont give them restful dream coz might become as in socialism day nappers thus u'l get strong syndication, just peel them out till there is only idea, normally that will bring u extra free profit, and dont forget u got 0% taxes on it!
   - poweplants and dams, dont ask for them - reserved seat for the chinese mustangs...
   ...and if in the future, by any chance, u dont like it - money back guarantee, always ready to return or dispose anything where and when is needed!

***Heaven*Forbid***


only hopefull scenario for our country, despite the imported green fields, definitely is joining some union, and if thats not eu then maybe economic eauro-asia in which scenario more and more analysts are seeing us, early it was popular street solace if eu dont need us lets sell ourselves to usa and become their 51 state, a too frantic hope that yet in some way is true for kosovo which is supported mainly and largely by nato where they have installed their european checkpoint in bondsteel- 30km north of skopje, today not so taboo as is area 51, tho bondsteel is among few largest usa bases that they have abroad and largest in europe close to 7 regional airports around that were-are-will serving it, still for now with its regional otan headquarters not more than just another luxurious mil. resting camp that eventually will be strategic watchdog coz near are passing by two energetic roots their ambo pipeline and their rivals the nlg pipeline south stream... anyhow we can choose in or out, if we stay out then we'll need really to speed up our - for now small agriculture at least to bring it back to level in the yugo-union, despite today we'r 12th in the world by tractor concentration, tho most of them oldtimers, but with little organic know-how all of them could become brand new claas or nh, thus reassuring own selfsufficiency by feeding europe with cleanest and healthiest food as whole balkan is trying to do... on udder hand in this case we'll miss all the fun that goes with the joint(for us coz small free) euro funds i.e. strategies but its heroic attempt that can make from us balkan switzerland if not better coz minarets are allowed to be build here... worst case scenario we could become switch-er-land that from elections to elections will make or brake unions as is needed, simply putted "chavkata odkol nakol kolot vgaz", its local anegdote about the acrobatic skills of hesitating crow, that in a similar way were practiced here since the early balkan wars by our legitimate or illegitimate political representatives!
there are another new concepts like economic union between tur, gre, mkd, alb, ser, cg etc. yep extra local market still little to unrealistic, tho surrealism is normal occurrence in our life e.g. in our country as party symbolism socialists are colored blue and capitalists red, then their political concepts are for socialist more right and capitalist behave as leftist i.e. free for all healthcare, free spa weekend for retiree, computer for every child etc. not that anyone bothers but its confusing for foreigners that expects the usual european patern, distinction that points out that we live in different europe where its not obvious who is who, maybe justified paradox coz we dont belong naturally to the western system where rome and its successor england werent too favorable to their eastern counterparts in the face of macedonia and latter byzant, thus from the start building different eudaimonian concepts, and beside the manners also this could be simply acknowledged through present etymological contrasts e.g. IL here means light there illness, sin here means blue or son there transgression, slava here is glory there drudge, dar here is gift there dark, and oppositely e.g. their love here lov means hunting etc. maybe this is result also coz we have more heavenly i.e. patriarchal way of life than in the west where its more earthly i.e. technocratic, tho if is looked simply like more spiritual than materialistic it could be trap coz the the first developed monetary system in europe in antiquity was practiced here as in ancient macedonia so as in byzant, thus some parallel that we were as always more favorable to spiritual paths is exaggerated, at least - something completely different as mentality that is very hardly subdue to rate-race scenarios i.e. mellow mooders that dont care too much about money e.g. regular question from foreign guests is - how can you manage every day after work to get out partying or cheering at neighbors gathering!?, simple!, living day by day, more spending less saving, always searching for little happiness mostly through hobnob friendship, maybe its due to the mediterranean climate that from all south-europeans made modern hedonists recently recognized as economic pigs tho the public is not so satiated with decadent way of life as is rest of the europe, especially not here in Macedonia... or maybe our careless habits here are hanged around our necks as curse coz our money, that holds the name DENar meaning DAY so its enjoyfull shiny for anyone to spend this currency that has unique banknotes e.g. maybe only in the world with images of Most Holy Marry and Archangel Gabriel + the Phoenix Pavo, but also - poppy flowers, isis, cerberus and maenad, it could be eloquently said that those are unsuitable choices for banknotes, if anybody cares for the feelings of the faithful which are condemned to trade with holy or unholy images! yep go with flow mentality...




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  Quote Max Quote  Post ReplyReply #48 Posted: 13-Jul-2012 at 06:13

our destiny is like our interpretation of cosmos! tight word with ancient etymology as in order translation, yet in Macedonia in our vernacular dialect with literally meaning - a slanting bridge - kos most, interpretation that also could be taken for fact about our existence i.e. in ancient times we climbed to the top but eventually we had to get off, normally its ridiculous to sit always up there, coz its not only our bridge but also its boring if ur always on top, especially in the earthly and ephemeral things as governing, taxation, customs etc. best thing from that period that emerged from here is the compulsion for sharing knowleChdge that was central idea if not ideal of alexander coz of why he didnt implanted intimidating mechanism of governance in the macedonian empire, thus he was remembered as cosmopolit that always gave three days of consideration to his people, army, conquered, disobedient or ruled, when he had different stance about their actions i.e. never enforcing fear as prime measure, tho as result his dream didnt existed too long as one, non-expat conspiracy, simply it was too cosmopolithic concept back then, when ironicly was dismantled by those that should be also example of it - his diadochi who were also in forefront of the wedding of susa when symbolically was united europe with asia... approach which was not at all case with latter imperialists from europe e.g. with romans who practiced pretty rigid rule on top with pronounced slavery, thus they didnt had need for knowledge that could lead to freedom or progression of subjected people - actually main reason why is burned the famous alexandrian library... back to the bridge concept, latter in byzant we got again chance for climbing but now on even higher bridge that isnt and cant be build by human authority but only from God itself for is the bridge of Christianity where all of humanity is welcomed to pass over, but the thing is that this bridge is connection to the real Heaven instead of the earthly one that alex had in mind, tho in his life he learned that he is not match to The Father when accepted that his statue cant be placed in the Temple of Jerusalem, as states one of the legends [1][2] action that symbolically was crossover gap between the paganism and Monotheism in a way that even mightiest among ancient people had accepted Yahweh who finally gave us the Māšîaḥ Yeshua as our rescuing bridge to Him and in remembrance to His Son our orthodox church is using the given name Hristos that in our slovic form is also used as Risto - Ристо the Lamb that with its Sacrifice again Restored connection between His people and His Father, name that in its spoken form lost the CH - X prefix that had been used in the early Christianity as Chi-Ro ХР Christogram... then somewhere by the way as the given name Hristo become Risto today Risto become modified as trendy western influence known like Krist-o-ian, now used here also as elsewhere, obvious globalization has own privileges that dont bother me at all - as is bothered from it my silent mechanism of traditional processors, when e.g. the most characteristic macedonian name as sacred traditional value, although is not left behind but litle by little its loosing its roots! recently I found it was not just flighty trend, still the essence behind it is what matters! however this bridges can be climbed even more literally, if are searched through the symbolism of the middle-age orthodox-church architecture which is composed of niches and calcanes that represent the spiritual ladders forming One unity at the top of the church as building in the Cross as symbol of Christ as Earthly Emanation of e.g. the Church in Nagorichane dedicated to Saint George, as such unveiling architectural pattern that was used largely til nowadays, except is questionable how often people are aware of it, that there is meaning even in the external architecture of the Orthodox Churches which usually is perceived only as artistic expression coz of we are very proud in front of our wandering guests, if they bother at all to explain something, simply why architecture when we can talk about turbo-folk from which our local derivatives are mostly played today on weddings and familiar patron saint celebrations instead prayers or at least traditional music...   

to continue eartly, except astronomically today cosmos can be found as popular brand all over our place e.g. til lately as Cosmofon that was one of the prime mobile operators in the country that was bought by One who also operates the first dvb-t in the republic, then there is the forgoten old and famous kebap-grill Kosmos part of the skopye bazaar, but also we had occurrences like untried Cosmos-Complex demolished coz half meter error etc. not that we are unique somehow but for sake of the urban history these could be numbered, also they suggest that from time to time we still have some slanting bridge which had or have own local purpose! normally when someone cant or want climb the transcendental bridge, then he is trying to transcendent through what is left around, even tho cant reach through it more than the first corner behind its base i.e. after the cosmo-kepab there is only cosmo-toilet and after cosmo-complex there is only cosmo-ruins!
another way today (happily still not commercial), for foreigners that cant transcendent by neither of the mentioned ways, is another opportunity through the paleolitic cosmic rock art that is spread all around and is part of the balkan palleo-linquistics, and for those that will get lost again try climbing to one of the oldest recognosced observatories in the world the famous Kokino near Nagorichane tho beware where could lead you it could be bridge to the lost cultures before and after the great flood that are mostly witness to our decadent past when man lost its true ideals, which literary and symbolically were restored by God through the man with pure heart known today as Noa from which son Yafet is supposed that flourished the european branch of people > from whom son Javan i.e. its Jovan lineage and his son Dodanim ancient macedonians are found, crossing through Roddos to balkan peninsula > this is also acknowledged by few facts e.g. even today ROD-is,en,um,ost etymologically in modern macedonian means a birth,born,lineage-family,happiness... or this ties between also could be confirmed by the strong heliolatric cult that was main in makedon and rodon e.g. where latter was erected the colossus of rodos to the patron titan h-ELi-os as remembrance of their ptolemy sotirology, and finally the hebrews located that the sons of javan - a dodanim's passed through rodhos to makedon after that how they mingled with the native cultures is unclear as is not so clear the latter crossover between the people from sclavinian and macedonian lands...
quick tip: if you dont mind my digressions are extra intentional, except that they are not motivated from some nationalistic mood, but totaly from the art of freestyle juggling with stories and memories, that I tend to mix them up in one mahinal stew, probably beneficial!


finally if u'r in search for more realistic bridge I'll suggest fly-through among Elen Skok on river Garska in west or Elenik on river Gradeshka in soth or Bogomolec on river Babuna in north and in east part of the country the 5 old bridges on Kratovska river...

and if they are not enough then there is always the harsh climb option that offer organised tours to macedonian alpinistic sites [1][2][3] where regularly are held competitions in rock climbing - lead, speed and bouldering [1][2][3], and in winter wonder ice-climb...



important, in summer coz of hot weather and mostly limestone sediments e.g. in matka climbing sites, rocks are porous thus a main factors for most of the accidents that happened there, tho its ok if the proper gear is properly used - if at all is used, that as solo overconfidence is trap even for most skillful climbers!



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  Quote Max Quote  Post ReplyReply #49 Posted: 16-Jul-2012 at 17:38

dispite the risks, if u choose the climbing option it will take you to places where only sun and birds + some alpinist had landed in the past 100 milleniums, where it could be reached the endemic nature of rocks and threes, boulders and flowers, stones and herbs, that are true witnesses of our life and history... climbing on them is privilege to those who knows why they do it, and if their solely purpose is hanging around only wasting time in creative way, then they're missing fundamentally huge & iscon energy that is passing by while they're focused mostly on the sporting moment - with final purpose - lets spread our arms on the top - which is also more than ok, if there is respect for the place, and in a way at least is reward to its existence > someone from time to time to hang around with...

u guess as normal around here there can be unveiled few additional historic layers that usually are perceived as more common for the cities as sights, still for this rocky hills is even more than recognizable the presence of historic marks, another silent layer of this mysterious rocks along their shiny natural enigmas, ancient history that can be meet in the canyon undersides and on mountain tops e.g. once in ancient times along whole territory in Macedonia, tribes, armies and even monks, except for observing they were using these high spots for signaling communication, by beaming light with mirrors or torches, easily spreading happy news, danger alerts or other emergencies from one to another part of the country [1][2][3] again not that this is not case elsewhere, as normally are whole inventions and basically all communication, all of them gifts of the Almighty Father to its creations as gift that is delivered by the Holy Spirit through Who we can examine Heaven Heights, unveil and explain secrets, but also Who is giving us material cognition normally when is on our benefit! only thing that stand on this path or bridge is either fear or laziness e.g. it was also the case with Tesla who ascribe his successes beside to his dedication (since child sleeping only for 3-4h a day) also to gained knowledge from above i.e. attributed his invetional focus to spirituality, for which he would say that is essentially the main goal for the human as being, I'l add to grow and become again one with His Creator and if Nikola lived today surly he'l add - everything else is just wasted power on forgetful lusts > as are e.g. the projections (true or not) for the myths like the hollow earth theories [1][2] or the atlantian street talks as demystified masonic arcana [3] which even as accidental premises if accepted for granted can done big harm, making earthly fierytales of us, instead an enlightened spiritual beings ready to transcendent to the greater realms, where dwelt from one to another more and more lightest older brothers of ours that perceive the human soul as more precious thing than this transitional world, which sadly from materialistic stance is understand as finite which is why unfortunately tourism is observed as heavenly award that must be milked without care for the donor e.g. the purity and holiness of some place i.e. drinking, smoking, partying, just name it, if can be sold or buyed nowadays people dont mind if they'l pollute it anyhow, fresh but sad echoes of rate race conspiracy that is trowed in the modern world as hedonism without boundaries distributed by the illusion's illusion - furthermore in the new millennia modern traveling nomads are just another pimp my bag trendies that unconsciously project the great travel paradox - to see more, yet to know less, maybe justly if one wants to escape the traps of the local pride-(politics,music,art.) or local lush-(ruins,monuments,arch.) tho if stay more than enough eventually all fall on local lusts-(sweets,foods,drinks) coz for every earthly-born light-being is most difficult to overcome the forces of the body than those of the soul and its doors(d'eyes), thats why in every spiritual growing first step is strengthening of the soul > by subduing the body to serve her < through fasting and praying, as consequence cleaned so it could be ready for undisturbed talk to its Creator > talk that ideally is collective praying when we as ONE in united ceremonies glorify Him and Seeking His Love...

...similarly
if a tourist behold his need for spectacles and firstly focus on the meaning of his visit - how and why it was drawn or even drag-in here by its freewill,fate,karma whatever u prefer, maybe then it could become part of the living culture that as act is ultimate thing that one can achieve as visitor-guest, not just another passing by foreigner who is mostly lost with smile on its face... this is mainly addressed to those that stick to the concrete-jungle phenomenons, and for those that wants to infiltrate among ruralities be aware u might become local as well!



to conclude, here bridging-climbing-naturalizing i.e. bridge-climb-nature means to be closer to the Sun, Winds and Sky so one can recharge its directions-batteries-horisonts... and if these are done or fulfill as in land that is unique place and not just confound location, it could trigger sci-vortexes or art-portals like the scientific premise that here is the center of Rodinia [1][2][3] or the fantastical premise that here is the center fi Middle Earth [1][2][3], all in all a peninsular glow that has primordial beauty > reachable only if all countries and people that exist here are seen without borders, once united in the eastern empire and today trying to unite own differences through european union, union where regions culturally and economically are merging as one thus unveiling their old and true glory, union that is trying to restore the past by connecting the peaces of our peninsular puzzle without hurting any feelings, and in same time dismantling them as mental boundaries, smart agenda that lacks power-push from within! this eu-cross-border region-bridging is in a way as climber's prediction of route so he can safely and quickly climb to the top, in this case transforming balkaninas in europeans, tho if predictions are wrong then the group strength-resources-weather-surrounding, mission as whole, can shift from joy to torment, so its always essential to have someone domestic when going in our wilderness where experience, knowledge or survival skills are not always enough if u use mainly ur horizontal strength! not only its smart to find local guide as tour operator, but is even better if u stumble on storyteller that is grooved with pockets full of local flowers and secrets <> who for sure will be more than just another guide with chit-chat booklets under his arm! look for these heroes no further than any village where instead coca cola u'l find only gazoza or even better only mashteinca its dairy drink something between yogourt and kiselo mleko (called ayran in turkish, or valt in albanian) that normally always goes with some pastry regularly filled with cheese or kaymak as energy booster... and if u cant get around STer then listen to the leaf tinkle and bird twitter they'l tell ya all u need to know...




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Max, daj stisni go to a "Enter" i "Tab" nekolku pati.
Formatiraj go malce napisanovo podobro... Oci ke mi isteras, samo da go procitam...
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myths, legends, rituals, earlier were largely prevalent here, first due to tradition as heritage, then due to tradition as shield against all invaders, even today Church has problem to clean or at least purify them so as such to incorporate  them in its celebrations, mostly trying to be mediator through them till people reach own spiritual maturity when the form is no more relevant than the essence and meaning of faith, not that they didnt know what,why,who are they up to making compromises which today are observed by the unfaithful as reason for their contempt, tho those forget that Christianity is based on Free Love and not on forced or imposed love thus making friends of their enemies in this case by smoothing the differences, its not pagan fault of these people that simply stuck to those oldskool traditions mostly coz their superstitious illiteracy that till wwII was on high level, tho today we are among extra literate third but still most of them havent clue why this or that is practiced as ritual even today! yet genuinity of those old people in those times was bursting through the traditional art instead science, today not so versatile and mostly inverse process studied as science by our ethnologists for now engaged through local projects like rastko [1][2] or plet [3][4] scientists that normally always cruise the country in collectible expeditions [5] one would think that they are best storytellers that can be found here, but in my opinion those who collect stories are not so rich as those that refine and live with them...
In Macedonia, an egg can mean the difference between life and death. According to local lore, if you share a birthday or even a birth month with a dying relative, your days are likewise numbered. The only way to cheat fate is to share the yolk of an egg with this relative while standing on opposite sides of a stream. Similarly, a dying man might save himself if he finds someone to share a sugared egg with him on the threshold of a house.
http://recipes.howstuffworks.com/menus/egg-facts.htm

while we are at the topic of ritual eggs, as old symbol of purity and transcendence, it is useful to be noted that here they are used as tradition  > also in the begging as in the end of the Great Lent , first for Prochka in the beginning and then for Pasha in the end of the fast i.e. the easter eggs that  got Christian symbolism, with their red color symbolizing the Sacrifice and with their breaking the Resurrection...

at Prochka the family performs the ritual "amkanje" of an egg, known to all Macedonians. The Gorna Reka population calls it "da hamkate mi", and it was done in this way: in the evening, when everyone gathered for dinner, a long wool thread was tied to the ceiling and an egg at its end. All members of the family tried to catch it only using their mouth, not their hands. The one that succeeded in doing this would be healthy the whole year round. At last everyone had a piece of the egg...

http://www.iea.pmf.ukim.edu.mk/EAZ/EAZ_6_2009/Eng/EAZ_2009_Mircevska_ENG.pdf

from that time there is anti-evil reminiscence that today is mostly noticeable through local carnivals e.g. the one in vevchani - oldest in the country and that in strumitsa largest in the country, but both of them had become fancy parades [1][2] loosing their true meaning to cast away the evil if not worst they welcomed it as decadent spectacles similar to those around the world! maybe as more authentic could be declared the carnival in prilep where are more represented the old masks of the evil-spirit-chasers known as Surati, Babari, Mechkari, Vasilichari, Dzamalari, Rusalii, Eshkari [1][2][3][4][5] that early were playing their cleansing-dances in and around village houses, dance that in south was known as Rusalisko Oro  today only jumble dance that has more emphasis on the scary-suits and trychel-bells chasing only photo shots! all of these gatherings early were held from vasilitsa to vodici as pre-epiphany celebrations e.g. that in vevchani, but latter they like those in prilep and strumitsa become usual for prochka, probably as last chance for mindless fiesta as pre-easter fast start  coz after the Great Lent are starting in a row lot of Christian Holydays that lasts till the next new year carnevals when people again tend to loose their personalities and unveil their masks, or maybe this joggle of timing is due to celebration of spring equinox that modern pagans dont have any other opportunity to celebrate it <> nowadays to earn something from it! maybe modern exception of this rule is the baskerfest held in skopje as 10 day celebration before the summer-solstice that become large open air circus organized by local jugglers and puppeteers forced by one-way-org that although have surati among them lacks mechkari that can purify their cause! 

just to add earlier superstitions were common cross-believe system, rituals that were common among those with not so sincere faith in Christ and teachings of Christianity, for them it was also constrained mechanism coz in the past many were holding tight to their ancestors tradition as ethnical covenant, from this aspect especially it was problem for the church clergy to extinguish the old rusty habits among the people that in a way made them distinctifull on this land through the centuries, so what couldnt be remove the church unofficially incorporated it in the feasts giving it Christian meaning, mainly so it could hold the community undivided or parallelenig secretly their own rituals, even today there are wide spread customs like the badnikar flames or vasilichar flames then the presence of Chritsmas straw or Christmas oak branches that are part of the folklore on feasts in Christmastide,
but lately most of our Episcops officially as in the past are not so favorable of these rituals, rituals which as such except decorative ornamentation at least force friendly gatherings in the communities, giving them unique mark as glowing sights speccially in the urban areas, that today in this massive form could not be found elsewhere in europe except in the balkans [1][2][3] eventually as serious practice probably would be forgotten when the global warming will reach its peak, thus depriving the pagan need to stimulate the winter sun or announcing the winter solstice, that early was practice in whole pagan europe [1][2] tho coz of our orthodox calendar I am glad that we always miss this overlap, burning logs instead on 21st dec. on 6th jan. and in such case we are only announcing symbolically the shepherds cave-flame that was warming the small Jesus at His birth...




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definitely this strange conjunctures of old and modern cults from politics to culture are result of our strong individualism i.e. the strong ego is maybe our worst enemy, not materialism nor lusts but pride, apparently our progress as always was hostage of this mental entree as curse known here like "da mu ptsoysa na komshiyata kozata" - "let neighbors goat croak" tho its not used as envy filter but excuse for own life failures with reflex approach such - if I cant be the one then no one will be, yet in the end at least there is the family to help you out survive all the intrigues, thats why most of our middle size companies are family based businesses instead this to be only regular for the small ones, to be ridiculous also the politics or medicine for example are full of nepotism, making clans  even in our modern history, and as paradox emergence from "our socialism  -when we were all equal", not that we are unique for but here this had become strange tradition, the socialist had its chance before the transition and democrats after that forming strong bases for further play, all of them looking like street gangs that from time to time reserve some fugitive plane, without exception from all parties there are wanted defendant mostly hiding in neighboring countries that give them official refuge [1
yet here people live relaxed also with happy local haiku-sayings like "da si gi yadesh ushite" meaning "eat your ears" i.e. u never listen or do as u should, syllogistic fallacy as flying nancy shoulder check... coz this pronounced individualism we are smartest, bravest, strongest etc. but is also reason why we are weak listeners that  when tanked with enough energy  become extra loud and proud than wisely quiet on ego-diet, refusing authorities even if its obvious that is not the right move e.g. still today most of the macedonians drive without belts, or working afterhours against the law, or even dumping garbage where they can, although the fines are regular and high! maybe coz til recently corts were too slow so one had opportunity to skive the penalties for long time! this is now probably solved with the judicial reforms pushed by eu, tho theory is one and practice other moment! so if you see someone is buying sandwiches for traffic cops know that here we have custom to forgive - but not as bribe, thus if the law-enforcement officer had good day the issues could be resolved in more humanly way, there was even sexy police patrol campaign to calm the drivers further while practicing own cowboy habits, although skopje as large and pro-european city is more and more becoming exception from this rule!

nevertheless our rush for eu flawless paradigms, our mentality was as always choice for personal freedom tho fearless but idleness e.g. even demosten recognized in antiquity that there (in macedonia) it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave [1] suggesting that we want more than award or bread, back then probably honor above all!? this distant regional code even today can be found here as - waiting for the sun to shine upon my life - til then i'l just sail around, thats why sport betting at the moment is one of our best practiced national sports where 37% of the citizens place bets at the bookmakers specialized in sport events 61% of the male population and 8% of the females [2] its metaphysical process that will end when we will find better professors for our at the moment wasted potentials [3] I wonder what would happened if Mother Theresa stayed in Skopye maybe would become alpinist coz now no one wants mercy, except in form maybe as some project grant from eu so it could be made boast of later! in the town of bitola this mentality is known as kabadaya - living broke but looking confident and talking fancy, but then not as inferiority complex instead rather as high self-esteem! have in mind this is peninsular defect maintained in most of the fields here, tho there are rare flowers that spread their seeds all around the world like it were alex'd'rider or  nikola'd'tesla even tito'd'bravar













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our tourism is not exception from this ind.rule above, extra described in our oldskool slang e.g. there are many local stokers like Tvrdo-glav(hard-head)bullheaded i.e. Svoe-glav(own-head)stubborn or Brzo-nog(quick-leg)swift-footed followed by Sporo-vozen(slow-driven)lame - simply we enjoy the life as in steady water, but also there are characters that will do anything to please you some from interest other from hospitality like Dai-gaz(give-ass)prodigal or Kazi-gaz(talk-ass)ingenuous - simply there is too much happiness in us that could not be hold selfishly, all of this synonyms could be also applied to our tourist strategies and politics, we dont know what, when or how to sell it - simply we dont want it or throw it around like sheikhs, eh at least we know that we have it e.g. most of the standardization in our tourism is still on socialistic level when objects were categorized with letters, and although we accepted the stars yet we dont understand it quite well, hm maybe its not our fault that lot of visitors come from well organized countries and thus makes me sad when we are observed as circus attraction instead museum exponate, but also its not their fault that we refuse good practices in this field even tho we have skills and capacity, and in the end maybe better coz in other case we could become again what we became once when we were under otoman rule, then at direct fawning and in this case on indirect fawning i.e. smiling and acting as clowns for money - there is excellent local new-age song that we could use it as our anti-consumeristic mirror once our tourism become cnc machine [1] at least i find comfort in the fact that we are not in forefront of the balkan tourist flute thus largely we could keep our purity, tho from time to time we're are exploited for magazine covers, hope for good if this attracts only people with respect for this land...






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important notion for our tourism is our rural approach in conservation of the cultural heritage, hence we had also towns with ruined facades or devastated surrounding, but its not so ugly as is mostly original scene that is part of our memory like shameful blessing that resembles Traditional Macedonian Architecture [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] architecture that was inspiration even for modernists like Le Corbusier [1][2][3] architecture that fly, float or blossom, depending of the environment, surrounding or stone-masons idealism, anyhow its pure and true fractal architecture that is blending in, singing out and smiling in and out through the macedonian hills, forests and mountains, mostly they were strong as castle a highlander houses for highlander people that when crossed to the towns became simple but strong architectural fireworks... [1][2][3] it is tradition that evolved and glowed through the millenniums and had its culmination in the sacral architecture known today as bizantine coz its mark for whole region [1]



so eco-tourism or rural-tourism is most prevalent option here but rarely with 100% authenticity, normally coz there are no more towns without electricity or villages without paved road, or old houses without some concrete patch, tho lately there are artificial exceptions i.e. authorities think that building new authentic villages [1] as museum exponats is enough to compensate their recklessness for preserving the real ones, sadly we are still among those with most endangered cultural sites in the world [1] tho those numbered on wmf are among the significant! mainly all of this is still common due to system errors than to some collective fault, coz there is will and money but every monument of cultural significance must be first fully explored then conserved and after that revived with additional elements and contents, observed like this then even the system is not guilty that is supported by small and slow administration and normally birocratic laws or mechanisms that dive in plenty localities from every epoch - many of them just recorded as such [1]




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Macedonian natur-al, popul-ar and kultur-al spices are NPK additive to any field of people, busting their immunity so they can overthrow negative vibes and live after free and joyful life! if clever, free enough so it could later become air climbers, as in a way is every Christian, so stay M-tuned if you are not one and want to see how is to be one! something that almost is exstra-strange to 21st c. rampantly globalized consumerist individualism [1]

tho there are also artificial additives e.g. for youth as unwritten rule, first there is landing in some town and getting its salads as new-age-cocktail of art-sport-music [1] then going around for some fancy tropicalism [2] and as desert sticking to some balkanism [3] and although similar fertilizers can be found across whole peninsula, here they are more potent coz they are not on the regular menu, so its best one to watch out of homeboy lab experiments that are mostly found on electronic-scene masquerades! my advice stick to the organic NPK and strongly avoid inorganic patches! always search for reggae vibes coz here u'l come across mediterranean clime and blue mountain ridges that are best consumed and recycled as tourist attractions when are mixed with tropical sounds!


   

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still  
when it comes to our capital
these vibes are dependent on instant people with instant life and habits,  so here they are getting quite electric charge, but coz our loose standards more stuffed with dubwise frequencies that add extra filling on top of our  local impossible city premise!

   

imposible or not Skopje has posible ways for fast sightseeing, only it must be layered simply by periods, as is done through these videos 1.1900-1970 then 2.1970-2010 and 3.2010-2020, yet the first video has three urban periods in that timeframe and all of these layers are preceded by the middleAge-antiquity-neolith layer and will be definitely complement by couple futuristic in near future [1]





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all of these vibes are ok, but they cant demystify the matrix, rather only acknowledge it and support it, and only vibes that can dismantle or open its veils are traditional one, particularly the Orthodox Christian Singing [1][2][3] that is direction for all that seeks spiritual refuge if not salvation, tho after they follow each other... but this vibe needs experienced guide so it could become tour of ur life...
"The fathers of the Church guide us in discerning the answer to this question. They tell us to look into our soul, and if the soul is agitated it is because we are doing our own will and not God's; if, however, in spite of the troubles, we find peace in our situation, then we are walking the path which the Lord has ordained for us." http://orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/pr_guidance.aspx



this chanting is truly effective only if it is sincere act as by interpreters so as by the listeners [1] but also if it is accepted as service that is not evolving like fashion style or modern cooking recipes [2] tho better that than nothing!
orthodox church singing or its modern interpretations [1][2][3] that are strangely catchy even for us who are born here... [1]



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ОХРИД - Slavic Jerusalem - [1][2][3]

OHRID - City of UNESCO - [1][2][3]
OM- Ohrid Macedonia


Michael Palin
Series: New Europe
Chapter: Day Twenty-seven: Ohrid
Country/sea: Macedonia
Place: Ohrid

The plodding Balkan highway, the E852, that enters Macedonia from the Albanian frontier, was once the illustrious Via Egnatia, a hugely important trade route, carrying goods from Italy to Constantinople. It was laid down by the Romans to join their empire with another they'd just conquered, the empire of Alexander the Great. Or as he's remembered here in his homeland, Alexander III of Macedon.

Today there's nothing left of the Via Egnatia or the trade that once must have flowed along it. The E852 connects the poorest country in Europe with the poorest country of the former Yugoslavia. Yet there is something about this first view of Macedonia that has power and presence, that makes you feel that whatever has befallen the country is a temporary aberration. This is a corner of Europe where history is made, not merely suffered.

It's all to do with the charismatic presence of Lake Ohrid. Overlooked in the west by the steep frowning mountains of Albania and by broad forested slopes to the east, it demands respect. Measuring almost 20 miles long and 10 wide, it plunges to a depth just short of 1,000 feet.

There has been a lake here for at least three million years, making it one of the oldest in the world, comparable with Titicaca and Baikal. It's perhaps no surprise that there are believed to be 350 religious establishments around its shores.

...

Slight feeling of déjà-vu this morning when I discover that our hotel is located on Quay Marshal Tito. The great man clearly had a thing about lakes for he had a palatial summer home here, to match the one at Bled in Slovenia, Ohrid and Bled virtually marking the eastern and western limits of his Yugoslavia.

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http://palinstravels.co.uk/book-4237


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