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  Quote Џоле Quote  Post ReplyReply #5841 Posted: 18-Jan-2016 at 21:22
How Skopje’s Urban Makeover Alienated Locals

Most people agree that the plan is in bad taste and a complete farce, but what impact is Skopje's postmodern transformation having on its citizens?

Under the auspices of “Skopje 2014”, a curious proliferation of statues, monuments and neo-classical and baroque architecture have lately begun popping up across Macedonia’s capital. While the expressed aim of this multi-million Euro project was to attract international investment and tourism to Skopje its international reception gives a measure of the overall cost of this project to the city’s reputation. The Guardian, for instance, ran with How Skopje became Europe’s new capital of kitsch, while CNN asked Is Macedonia’s capital being turned into a theme park? Indeed, looking at the coverage it appears to have been difficult to avoid well-worn comparisons to Disneyland or Las Vegas.

The government’s ambition has been to create a new national identity by rewriting history. Like so many other post-socialist cities, Skopje’s recent transformation looks to a distant past, deploying collective amnesia to skip over more recent troubles. The somewhat laughable statue of Alexander the Great, a shameless attempt to claim ownership over the legacy of ancient Macedonia, is perhaps the most obvious example. This postmodern fantasy may be amusing to the rest of Europe, but it is hard to see what relation Skopje 2014 has to the often harsh realities of everyday life in Skopje.

I spent June 2015 in Skopje to try to gain a deeper understanding of Skopje 2014, going beyond the grounds of taste to see the real impact the project has had on the city and its local people.

My first impression when I arrived was that it was much more chaotic than I had anticipated.. Skopje 2014 is not a master plan or a unified whole, but rather a series of monuments, buildings and facades. Despite the deadline suggested in the name, construction work continues at many of the major sites. For almost the entirety of my visit the central square Plostad Makadonija was in the process of being re-paved (“again” I heard the locals cry). Some plans, such as the controversial facelift and privatisation of the GTC shopping centre, were added to the project later and had not even begun. In short, it seems there is still much to be done.

But another thing that quickly became apparent was the extent to which Skopje 2014 is tied to a more far-reaching nationwide political crisis. Culminating in protests in May 2015, the crisis is the worst to hit the country since it gained independence from Yugoslavia in 1991, and it is amazing how quickly a conversation about neoclassical columns could turn into a conversation about protests, corruption and money laundering. This is linked to the fact that the transformation is almost entirely funded by the government, who managed to completely bypass local planning systems and normal procedure. And it isn’t helped by the project’s status as the brainchild of Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski, whose resignation the protesters had been calling for.

Gruevski in fact appears to have orchestrated the work himself. Speaking to a member of his party VMRO DPMNE, and someone who knew the Prime Minister personally, I asked why they had chosen the baroque style. He shrugged and replied “I don’t know, it is the Prime Minister’s taste”. But while Gruevski held on to power the construction work at least seemed set to continue, even as the cloud of controversy and tales of money laundering continue apace. Many people’s biggest fear about the unfinished project, however, is what will happen if Gruevski is not re-elected. As the political crisis continues, the project’s fate hangs in the balance.

In Skopje I found that among my friends and acquaintances there is a pervading sense of alienation. When a video was first released in 2010 showing the plans for the project, few Macedonians believed it could come to fruition – more likely an unachievable dream or a sadistic joke. Most have been continually surprised to watch as the structures have risen. The project has progressed and locals have been left baffled and increasingly angry. As construction work took over the city centre, it has become more and more disconnected from the reality of everyday life in Skopje.

On the subject of alienation, it is clear that Skopje 2014 has primarily had this effect through its physical form – the architecture and sculpture is quite foreign to the style and standards in Skopje. For instance, the Architects Association of Macedonia have been particularly outspoken in their opposition to the project. And it’s easy to see why. Like the planning system, the AAM was completely ignored. It was involved in neither commissioning nor implementation. As a likely consequence, the architecture varies greatly in the quality of design and execution, but is on the whole insensitive to its context and unsympathetic to Skopje’s architectural heritage.

In the rest of the city I have seen signs of many architects’ respect and admiration of the work of Kenzo Tange and Janko Konstantinov, and the younger generation of architects emerging from AAM is clearly taking inspiration from the brutalist and modernist legacy of the Yugoslav period. Not so the architects of Skopje 2014. The neoclassical and baroque architecture of Skopje 2014 are foreign objects in a city more accustomed to Corbusian pillars than doric columns.

A second source of alienation comes from the mounting costs of Skopje 2014 to a population struggling with unemployment and low wages. While the initial budget set out in 2010 estimated the total costs to be 80 million euros, the 2015 report by BIRN calculated the current total to be a whopping 560 million euros. In addition, many people feel that this figure is not reflected in the construction quality or standard of design and execution. All those involved, including architects, sculptors and construction firms have been dogged by questions of accountability.

The expressed rationale of the project is to attract tourists and foreign investment. This acts as a third source of alienation for local people, as they were never a primary concern of a massive redevelopment that is totally divorced from the daily lives of its inhabitants. Where my friends once fished in the river has now become selfie central and where they once sat in the shade of the trees, a monument to a distant forefather stands in the midday sun.

The main functions of the new developments are administrative, including, ironically, the constitutional court (which actually deemed the development illegal). There are also two museums, which can only be entered as part of a group guided by ‘experts’ who recite the ‘official’ history of Macedonia. What I have been told was once an inclusive and well used city centre (although underdeveloped) has become the playground of tourists and a few government employees and political elites. Many local people I spoke to not only had no reason to go, but also actively avoided venturing into the city centre.

As locals have become increasingly detached from their city, they themselves have also taken on the role of tourist. One evening I forced a friend, a member of the city’s Roma population, to explore the area with me – we ate ice cream and walked across one of the new, entirely superfluous bridges – for me it was a regular route in my explorations, for him it was the first time he’d been there. A lifelong Skopjan stepping onto that bridge crossed into a world that was not his own – a world that seems closer to my own history and culture than his, that has no relation to his sense of identity, community or socio-economic status.

As tourists themselves, what then do Skopjans have to say about Skopje 2014? In my experience locals speak about Skopje 2014 with as much bemusement and perplexity as any tourist, and probably more, having witnessed the twists and turns in this wild plot. They cannot make sense of any grand vision, they say that even the planners and architects themselves don’t have a plan, that they just make it up as they go along. In fact locals have no greater insight than the international media and their clichéd stories of a distant city making a mockery of itself.

One conversation in particular sticks in my mind, and one which neatly encapsulates the whole situation. One day during my visit I was drinking coffee in the city centre overlooking the main square with a friend and his three colleagues (a convenient meeting spot rather than a regular haunt). As we sat discussing Skopje 2014, these three wise men took it in turns to explain to me their interpretations. The first explained how and why the government chose sculpture and architecture for what he saw as solely a money laundering scheme. The second, a graduate in History and History of Art, explained how the account of history told by our surroundings in no way represented the truth of Macedonian history and expressed disbelief in the story sold by Skopje 2014. The third, whose English was limited, uttered a single word: Disneyland.

Rachel Ling has a BA in Architectural Studies from the University of Nottingham and a MSc in Urban Studies from UCL

http://www.failedarchitecture.com/how-skopjes-makeover-alienated-locals/
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  Quote Staro Skopje Quote  Post ReplyReply #5842 Posted: 18-Jan-2016 at 22:07
Madness or modernity? Faux Baroque buildings transform Skopje

SKOPJE, Macedonia — Macedonia’s prime minister believes a clutch of faux Baroque buildings and monuments will transform little-known Skopje into a southern Balkans tourist hub. Despite sneers from critics, early indications suggest Prime Minister Nikola Grueveski’s vision may not be far-fetched.

Wedged between Greece and Serbia, Macedonia is a hard-luck country whose capital 52 years ago endured catastrophic loss. In 1963, Skopje was flattened by an earthquake that took 1,000 lives, left 200,000 homeless, and destroyed 80% of the downtown.

Macedonia’s fate hasn’t been much better. Since independence from the former Yugoslavia in 1991, the nation of two million has confronted diplomatic challenges from Athens, which claims exclusive right to the name Macedonia. Greek opposition keeps Macedonia out of NATO and blocks progress toward the European Union.

For most of its history Skopje was tranquil, with a charm borne of its Turkish past. The Vardar River curves through the center, with a brooding Ottoman castle hovering above the 600-year-old stone bridge that links the old and new towns.

Gruevski’s modernization drive is changing the city’s character. When I returned recently after several years away I found a riverfront cluttered with new monuments and hastily constructed buildings, many with hollow columns sheathed by thin veneers. Skopje resembled Las Vegas or Disneyland.

Prime Minister Gruevski puts the cost of the project at under $300 million, derived from taxpayers and not foreign donors. Critics say the price is closer to $600 million.

Not yet finished, the project includes a fleet of double-decker red buses and a Ferris wheel.

Centerpieces are a miniature triumphal arch and a 60-foot-high equestrian statue of Alexander the Great atop an illuminated pedestal fountain.

Asked why a poor country like Macedonia chose architectural grandeur, Gruevski told the Financial Times that national feelings were suppressed in Tito’s Yugoslavia and “there were no monuments or statues to express our nationhood.”

It is Macedonia’s poaching of Alexander the Great that most infuriates Greece. Aside from geographic proximity, there is little connection between the late-arriving Slavic Macedonians and the Greek-speaking Alexander who died in 323 B.C. Figuratively thumbing his nose at Greece, Gruevski has renamed Skopje’s airport “Alexander the Great.”

Tourism has gotten a boost from the arrival of Hungarian discount carrier Wizz Air that now accounts for 49% of traffic out of Skopje’s renovated airport. Tourist arrivals are up over 20% over the past two years, and those figures don’t yet reflect the visitors who may come to see the glitz and kitsch of the new Skopje.

Barry Wood recently wrote in Travel about the TWA terminal at JFK Airport. He spent considerable time in the Balkans during the wars that followed the collapse of Yugoslavia.

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  Quote iGi_PoP Quote  Post ReplyReply #5843 Posted: 19-Jan-2016 at 14:20
Originally posted by Staro Skopje


It is Macedonia’s poaching of Alexander the Great that most infuriates Greece. Aside from geographic proximity, there is little connection between the late-arriving Slavic Macedonians and the Greek-speaking Alexander who died in 323 B.C. Figuratively thumbing his nose at Greece, Gruevski has renamed Skopje’s airport “Alexander the Great.”

Barry Wood recently wrote in Travel about the TWA terminal at JFK Airport. He spent considerable time in the Balkans during the wars that followed the collapse of Yugoslavia.

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  Quote Navigator Quote  Post ReplyReply #5844 Posted: 19-Jan-2016 at 15:00
Originally posted by iGi_PoP


Originally posted by Staro Skopje

It is Macedonia’s poaching of Alexander the Great that most infuriates Greece. Aside from geographic proximity, there is little connection between the late-arriving Slavic Macedonians and the Greek-speaking Alexander who died in 323 B.C. Figuratively thumbing his nose at Greece, Gruevski has renamed Skopje’s airport “Alexander the Great.”

Barry Wood recently wrote in Travel about the TWA terminal at JFK Airport. He spent considerable time in the Balkans during the wars that followed the collapse of Yugoslavia.

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Не е проблем што некој странец индиректно ја напаѓа државата преку напаѓање на владата. Толку знае и за тоа го платиле. Проблемот е што некои овдешни се палат на вакви текстови каде се вреѓа сопствената држава. Ама сме го правеле муабетот, не вреди...
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  Quote Staro Skopje Quote  Post ReplyReply #5845 Posted: 19-Jan-2016 at 15:36
Епа објави некоја позитивна критика за СК14 и Владата, би сакал да прочитам.

П.С. Влада се пишува со голема буква
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  Quote zabegan Quote  Post ReplyReply #5846 Posted: 19-Jan-2016 at 15:44
знаев дека прво нешто за кое што ќе се фатите ќе бидат кратките политички конотации во текстовите... сакав јас да ги постирам и да ве предупредам да ги игнорирате, ама Џоле и Старо Скопје ме претркале
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  Quote iGi_PoP Quote  Post ReplyReply #5847 Posted: 19-Jan-2016 at 21:56
Originally posted by zabegan

знаев дека прво нешто за кое што ќе се фатите ќе бидат кратките политички конотации во текстовите... сакав јас да ги постирам и да ве предупредам да ги игнорирате, ама Џоле и Старо Скопје ме претркале


Znaci treba selektivno da citam i da mu oprostuvam za navredite?

Celata statija e edna golema politicka konotacija.

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  Quote BOJAN Quote  Post ReplyReply #5848 Posted: 19-Jan-2016 at 22:33
Тоа е, нас странците не мразат. Сите на светот не мразат, а особено оние што имаат проблем со „Скопје 2014“. Гледате, не можат они да прифатат дека ние сме ги решиле сите светски мистерии, кај нас архитектурата и историјата се впрегнале заедно кон покривањето на една решена и заокружена вистина: Македонците се најстариот народ на светот, и баба Дана така вика, а грците се племе од субсахарска Африка. Е сега, кога ова ќе го пресликаме на планот на архитектурата, „Скопје 2014“ е целосно оправдан проект. Што не е јасно?
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  Quote zabegan Quote  Post ReplyReply #5849 Posted: 19-Jan-2016 at 23:11
Originally posted by iGi_PoP


Originally posted by zabegan

знаев дека прво нешто за кое што ќе се фатите ќе бидат кратките политички конотации во текстовите... сакав јас да ги постирам и да ве предупредам да ги игнорирате, ама Џоле и Старо Скопје ме претркале
Znaci treba selektivno da citam i da mu oprostuvam za navredite?Celata statija e edna golema politicka konotacija.
а кон кого е навреда?
за мене на пример навреда ми е тоа што ќе се крене масивен споменик во име на нацијата, а потоа тој ќе се искасапи во име на политика и ќе му се смени името
ова не ми предизвикува гордост, туку омраза кон сопствениот народ, кој се понаша како да е составен од несериозни мали дечиња кои се тепаат за играчки...


инаку, конкретно за статијата, не ја вреднувам нешто многу, затоа што е далеку од тоа да биде професионална критика на тема архитектура, ама ете, нека стои... можеби критиката е таква затоа што човекот зборувал со население кое има омраза кон проектот и тоа е разбирливо... и мене сега да ме праша за нешто, нема сигурно нешто позитивно да му кажам, ама тоа не ме прави ниту платеник, ниту државен непријател број еден... еднаш барем некој нека се потруди да одговорни на тие критики наместо да се навраќаме на истото
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  Quote hcitrS Quote  Post ReplyReply #5850 Posted: 19-Jan-2016 at 23:13
Originally posted by iGi_PoP


Originally posted by Staro Skopje

It is Macedonia’s poaching of Alexander the Great that most infuriates Greece. Aside from geographic proximity, there is little connection between the late-arriving Slavic Macedonians and the Greek-speaking Alexander who died in 323 B.C. Figuratively thumbing his nose at Greece, Gruevski has renamed Skopje’s airport “Alexander the Great.”


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А што според тебе не е точно во цитираниот пасус?

1. да, Грција ја многу ја иритира нашето кокетирање со Александар (кое и според мене е екстремено претерано, но во никој случај не се согласувам дека Грција има екслузивно право на него, тој е дел од историјата и наследството на многу држави, покрај Македонија и Грција)
2. да, современиот словенски македонски јазик нема врска со античкиот македонски (јас сум поборник на хипотезата дека тогашниот народен јазик бил произлезен од палеобалканскиот јазик, а грчкиот бил јазикот со ској се служела елитата и интелигенцијата (како на пр. францускиот во 19 и 20 век))
3. да, именувањето на аердоромот и ред други работи како патишта, згради итн. се лични, недемократски одлуки на Груевски

Во етничката припадност не навлегувам. На Балканот има неколку милиони специјалисти по генетика кои директно ги поврзуваат современите народи со луѓето кои живееле на овие простори пред 2,3,4, или повеќе милениуми. Последните големи следбеници на идеите за крвно-биолошкото-генетско етничко идентификување завршија неславно во Берлин во 1945.

Тоа што мене најмногу ме вреѓа во вавките површни анализи е директното скокање од Југославија во Античка Македонија (по теркот на владеачката партија), без притоа да се спомене еден од најсветлите периоди во историјата на Македонија како на пр. средниот век. Периодот во кој Македонија (или некои личности по потекло од Македонија) му ја дадоа на светот глаголицата и крилирцата. Периодот на процутот на византиската архитектура; врвното сакрално сликарство... Во тој период во Македонија се создаваат многу развиени препишувачки школи. Скопје и Охрид своевремено биле престолнини на најголемите империи на Балканот...

И се разбира, најголемото чудо на скала на Европа, а можеби и светот: појавата, развојот и крајот на Преродбеништвото и Просветителството, скокот од феудално во „индрустриско“/социјалистичко па квази-капиталистичко опшстество во период пократок од 150 години.

А сите сте се фатиле за проклетиот Александар...
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  Quote zabegan Quote  Post ReplyReply #5851 Posted: 19-Jan-2016 at 23:17

воопшто не ми се ни дискутира на оваа тема... исцрпена и избледена е уште пред пет-десет години и не е ни чудо што веќе многу малку се дискутира, за разлика од периодот кога беше политички актуелна
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  Quote kultuzin Quote  Post ReplyReply #5852 Posted: 20-Jan-2016 at 01:22
Текстовите на пример во некој германски или австриски медиуми се само препишани од домашните СОРОС новинари. Тие се исповрзани како црева. За жал новинарството не е само кај нас на такви ниски гранки се помалку новинарите патуваат и прават објективни анализи а се повеќе само преведуваат текстови од новинари со кои ги поврзал интересот.
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  Quote Staro Skopje Quote  Post ReplyReply #5853 Posted: 20-Jan-2016 at 01:44
Може да наведеш линкови од барем 5, според тебе објективни анализи поврзани со проектот Скопје 2014?
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  Quote hcitrS Quote  Post ReplyReply #5854 Posted: 20-Jan-2016 at 02:04
http://mn.mk/komentari/7689-Duhot-na-makedonskata-gradba-e-vmetnat-i-vo-proektot-Skopje-2014

http://www.mn.mk/kultura/10047-Makedonija-i-Rim-arhitektonsko---urbanisticki-paraleli
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  Quote fichot Quote  Post ReplyReply #5855 Posted: 20-Jan-2016 at 03:33
Originally posted by hcitrS

http://www.mn.mk/kultura/10047-Makedonija-i-Rim-arhitektonsko---urbanisticki-paraleli


Добро е текстов што почнува со етимологијата на зборот „историја“ па можеш брзо да ја сконташ сериозноста на истиот и да си заштедиш пар минути за нешто поквалитетно. History да ти било His+Story.
Ах Вангеле вангеле, не даваш од то дрогата срам да ти е.

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  Quote zabegan Quote  Post ReplyReply #5856 Posted: 20-Jan-2016 at 05:29
Originally posted by fichot

Originally posted by hcitrS

http://www.mn.mk/kultura/10047-Makedonija-i-Rim-arhitektonsko---urbanisticki-paraleli


Добро е текстов што почнува со етимологијата на зборот „историја“ па можеш брзо да ја сконташ сериозноста на истиот и да си заштедиш пар минути за нешто поквалитетно. History да ти било His+Story.
Ах Вангеле вангеле, не даваш од то дрогата срам да ти е.

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ох, Вангел ако е не го ни читам... со крајни сили се обидував да разберам што зборува тој човек, ама само тој самиот си се разбира... навлегува во некоја своја димензија кога ќе се внесе во филозофирање за уметност и историја
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  Quote zabegan Quote  Post ReplyReply #5857 Posted: 20-Jan-2016 at 05:31
Originally posted by kultuzin

Текстовите на пример во некој германски или австриски медиуми се само препишани од домашните СОРОС новинари. Тие се исповрзани како црева. За жал новинарството не е само кај нас на такви ниски гранки се помалку новинарите патуваат и прават објективни анализи а се повеќе само преведуваат текстови од новинари со кои ги поврзал интересот.
она кога ќе забегате со муабетиве за Сорос


Edited by zabegan - 20-Jan-2016 at 05:34
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  Quote iGi_PoP Quote  Post ReplyReply #5858 Posted: 20-Jan-2016 at 14:18
Maalski muabeti u pm...
Procitajte nesto pred da postirate gluposti.
I dvete grupi ocajno barate materijali za da go podrzite vasiot argument... bez razlika na toa koj gi pisuva i koja e glavnata cel na pisatelot...
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  Quote zabegan Quote  Post ReplyReply #5859 Posted: 21-Jan-2016 at 03:11
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Maalski muabeti u pm...Procitajte nesto pred da postirate gluposti.I dvete grupi ocajno barate materijali za da go podrzite vasiot argument... bez razlika na toa koj gi pisuva i koja e glavnata cel na pisatelot...

седно, забавно ми е понекогаш да гледам како сите се палат кога некој од страна ќе каже нешто лошо за земјава
...истовремено, еден куп културно-историски локалитети, споменици, настани, се заборавени, неактуелизирани, неодржувани, непрезервирани и нереконструирани... ама затоа Скопје ќе биде мадерфакинг вештачки форсиран културно-историски центар на земјата и наша најголема национална гордост... им се чудам многу често на логиката на сите
не знам зошто мораше во Скопје да има огромен споменик на Александар македонски со оглед на тоа колку квалитетни антички локалитети имаме и колку уште не се разоткриени како што треба... ако тоа не дава најголема политичка конотација на секое гледиште, не знам што друго...
тука нема што да се аргументира, народот си пати од комплекси и е збунет, и сето тоа се злоупотребува... ради кризи на идентитет мораше да се изнапати градов...
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  Quote kultuzin Quote  Post ReplyReply #5860 Posted: 28-Jan-2016 at 14:42


Им се уарни на авторите од екс ЈУ да снимаат спотови во Скопје. Прашање е само зошто е тоа така? Како и да е секој спот во Скопје од странски интерпретатор е една добра реклама за градот и државата.
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